I know Bert gets much ridicule for his stance on the lack of equipment like the VHS VCR, but in reality, he does have a point. There is no one piece of equipment that can tune, decode, and record onto removable media that is as simple, reliable and cheap. There are products that do some things well, but none of them do everything the old VHS can do. I'm not saying that we should all stay with the VHS machine, but I must admit, I always program a VHS VCR as a backup to any other forms of recording (DVD-R, PVR, PC, etc.) because they don't always work. It would be nice if there would be a reasonably priced box that could reliably record a DTT-HD signal onto cheap removable media before NTSC goes off the air. And tapeless would be a plus! Dan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.