I have new datapoints on this. The condition came back today; I haven't been able to acquire a DTV signal in about 3 hours. In the meantime, I've kept my tuner on. The problem also affects one analog tv station. That is, KFMB-TV (8). No other analog signals seem to be affected. Fortunately, I don't have to open the Broadcasting Yearbook to figure this one out. KFMB-TV shares channel 8 with a station north of Santa Barbara, about 180 or so miles distant. From my viewing location, the transmitter for that channel 8 is almost on the same azimuth (fewer than 15 degrees) as KFMB-TV. I can see doubled and wavy sync in the picture from time to time, in both the horizontal and vertical axes. (Someone else will have to explain what these conditions mean for Bert.) Other analog stations (local and distant) come in stronger than normal; this one comes in very badly. I can at least provisionally conclude that the condition I have described has nothing to do with modulation or my receiver, but is linked to local atmospheric conditions and regional ducting. The condition is temperature-related; I had no trouble until the sun heated up the troposphere about 10:00 a.m. I think it's safe to assume that the "cliff-effect" is the cause of the DTV drop outs, as distant NTSC signals are overpowering the local DTV signals. There's still the question of channel 55 dtv dropping out, but I've seen the MediaFlo xmt site on Mount Wilson. Assuming they're on 55 there, this could account for KFMB-DT dropping out. It is going to be interesting to see when the condition abates. I'm guessing it will be about 1.5 hours after sunset, as long as the weather holds. If I'm correct, this won't be much of an issue post analog. When I get the time, I'll try to figure out where the interfering stations can be. One example: I can tune in LPTV KXLA 44 directly in analog: more than 120 miles away. I can't get reception on channel 18,19 and 40 of DTV stations about 16 miles away. So: I think John Shutt hit it on the head. John Willkie -----Mensaje original----- De: John Willkie [mailto:johnwillkie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Enviado el: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:03 AM Para: 'opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Asunto: RE: [opendtv] Re: Reception Issues John; That could account for it. However, one of those dtv channels would be an interesting datapoint, because it is on channel 55. And, the ducting could be outside the Santa Barbara-to-Ensenada corridor. My first thought was that it didn't make much sense, but it's entirely possible for the ducting to have been elsewhere, and have interfered with all DTV reception here. Or, the predictions could have been wrong. That could also account for something that I'm still not entirely sure about, but I think I saw KXLA on Channel 4, which is occupied by KNBC. KXLA uses some translators to spread out their signal. Perhaps one in the high desert is on channel 4. Or, maybe some technical glitch put the KXLA signal (callsign in the upper left of the screen) on the KNBC analog stream. John ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.