Craig Birkmaier wrote: I asked if they > would have watched live TV during such a trip. The answer was quite > revealing. The answer would be yes, IF the transmission system does > not suffer from the same local availability as radio, which forces > constant re-tuning, with no guarantee of program continuity as you > move from market to market. This suggests that a mobile DBS receiver > might be well accepted, if the technology can deliver signals > reliably. But a national system does nothing to deal with the real > need for local information when mobile. perhaps there will be > overlays of national and local... While local content is needed I have never understood why it is needed by every single channel. In many ways it would make more sense to have a few national channels that make no pretense of being local and let people switch to a local channel when they really want local. Then we can find out which one really gets watched most of the time. I realize there are politics involved but it might be a useful experiment. An interesting but impossible twist on this might be a single national channel that carried ALL the big 4-6 networks in SDTV. With a modern codec that could probably be done very nicely on a single ATSC or COFDM or satellite channel. And if your car had a PVR with a cheap 250 GB hard drive in it you could constantly cache the entire most recent 24 hours of ALL national network channels (in SDTV) plus a few saved shows. Of course to do this would likely be illegal, immoral, and impossible to negotiate for various reasons. But the technology is probably not what's stopping it. - Tom >>At 6:02 PM -0500 11/10/04, Kon Wilms wrote: >> >>You're waving your hands and speaking in exactly the same way as those >>'failed' businesses -- local caching, receiver modules, targeting, >>off-peak hours, content franchises, sports. None of this is rocket >>science. Its all been tried (I say tried since noone succeeded) before. >>And consumers *dont care* about the technology. The only care about the >>content. So whats the content going to be, and who will provide it, and >>how will it be so killer for me as a consumer that I will pay a premium >>for this service as well as the half-brick receiver needed to watch it? > > > You continue to think of this as a TV service. I think of it as a > data broadcast service that also can deliver audio and video streams. > > Obviously people DO want information when they are mobile. Radio is > still thriving. PDAs are increasingly making all kinds of data > available to mobile users. And Road Warriors can't wait to connect to > broadband services in airports and hotel rooms (not to mention > watching DVD movies on their laptops). > > I will be the first to agree that most people are not going to watch > a cached sitcom while riding the commuter train or bus to work. Most > people don't even watch this stuff anymore...at anytime. > > I strongly suspect that the primary use of the new Qualcom network > will be the delivery of highly targeted subscription-based services. > If you are an NBA freak, then you may subscribe to a service that > will let you listen to games, see highlight clips, etc. If you are > wondering where this content will come from, just look to the source. > The Sports franchises are very careful about segmenting the rights to > their products. They ALREADY offer a wide range of "data" services > via the Internet, and it is a very small leap to delivering these > bits via a subscriber-based data broadcast network. > > Likewise, people on the move will need directory services, especially > when they are away from their home markets. These services may well > incorporate audio and video, as they do now on the web. > > The fact that all of these pieces have not been put together in a > successful venture...yet, does not invalidate the concepts. It says > more about what is practical, and at WHAT price. You did not see many > PVRs when hard disk storage cost $1 a megabyte; things broke loose > when the cost came down to $1 a gigabyte. > > And then there is the reality that many entrenched industries are > working overtime to blunt the new competition that technology-based > disintermediation is causing. I noted that Ted Turner understands > just how much control the entrenched media are exerting over the > Internet. > > > >>I'll put it like this - I am a gadget freak, I have tons of gadgets at >>home, some useless and some useful. Convince me why I would be >>interested in this product. > > > I'm not certain that the phone handset, or the "half-brick" receiver > are the real end-game here. > > They are just one potential venue for mobile data. Vehicles are a > much better venue in my estimation for several reasons. > > First, we spend so much time in them. In a recent message I described > the Car Theater system my daughter and her boyfriend have created. > Her mom and grandfather were entertained Sunday with The Stepford > Wives, during a five hour trip back from Alabama. I asked if they > would have watched live TV during such a trip. The answer was quite > revealing. The answer would be yes, IF the transmission system does > not suffer from the same local availability as radio, which forces > constant re-tuning, with no guarantee of program continuity as you > move from market to market. This suggests that a mobile DBS receiver > might be well accepted, if the technology can deliver signals > reliably. But a national system does nothing to deal with the real > need for local information when mobile. perhaps there will be > overlays of national and local... > > Second, we do a great deal of shopping while mobile - you have to > drive (or walk) to those brick and mortar stores. The availability of > high quality directory information when mobile could be a very > important part of commerce in the future. > > The ability to cache all kinds of information in a vehicle is going > to happen soon. Couple this with a decent display (that can be > viewed when the vehicle is NOT moving ) and you can do many things > that can be fed by a data broadcast system. > > Vehicles have the space and power to accommodate a well designed > mobile reception system. You can install a good diversity antenna, > and run components that could never be used in a battery powered, > hand-held brick. > > Next, you have notebook PCs. Everything is already there, except for > the receiver, which can easily be integrated, or added on with a > small module. This is much more important to me than a TV receiver in > my phone. > > Now here is a question for you. > > Friday afternoon at about 3pm ET, the Judge in the Peterson case > announced that the verdict would be read at 4pm ET. I have heard that > a huge portion of the population managed to tune into this > announcement. Some listened to a TV news network. Some listened on > the radio. > > Now ask yourself this. If you received an alert that this would > happen, and the ONLY device you had available to tune in was you > phone, would you not listen? > > > >>And what bits might that be? What exactly can I do with a phone >>*visually* while I am driving, for example? Nothing. > > > Aside from the possibility of projecting video on the windshield, I > would agree that watching video while driving may not be desirable. > But driving is only one aspect of mobility, and as I have already > suggested, the vehicle as a venue of information and entertainment is > ALREADY a huge market. It would be very unfair to say that your > cellphone is useless if you are outside of your vehicle. > > >>I'm sure this will forge ahead but like I put it before -- you need a. a >>killer device and b. a killer service. Just having a killer network >>doesn't buy you anything except a guarantee that you will have no viewers. > > > To rephrase slightly, you need: > > a. A range of devices that work in mobile and portable venues; > b. A range of services that people want and will pay for; > c. A variety of networks that provide seamless access to the services > people want, on the devices that are using at any point in time. > > If you are looking for the killer app or a breakthrough device you > will miss the big picture. This is about the proliferation of things > we are already doing across multiple platforms, so that we can access > the bits we want, anywhere, anytime. > > Regards > Craig > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > > - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at > FreeLists.org > > - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word > unsubscribe in the subject line. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.