Cliff Benham wrote: > It is out of stock everywhere because it is a very popular item. > > It is the tivo alternative and is more user friendly than anything > offered by DirecTV, Dish or the cable companies. > There is a dvd rec. with 160 gig hard drive made under the > Magnavox name for $250 here: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10104532&findingMet hod=rr Thanks, Cliff. I also eventually found that, last night. It must be the same basic item as the Philips. The Philips used to be stacked on the shelves at WalMart, but not anymore. Maybe it is just a case of temporary inventory depletion. It is still very difficult to find any sort of OTA PVR over here. Even DVD recorders without hard drive, and with ATSC and clearQAM receiver built-in, are not easy to find. I know Craig thinks that "nobody cares." But the truth is, if nobody cared, they wouldn't have jacked up the price of the Philips so much. Bert ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.