Kilroy Hughes wrote: [Bert] ... although I seriously dount that PBS thinks Dotcast provides better coverage than ATSC can. [KH] They don't think that, they know that from a couple years of empirical testing. Sorry, then let me rephrase: "Even if PBS doesn't know this, Dotcast is well aware of the fact that their signal won't cover the same area a proper ATSC datacast can cover." Here's direct from the horse's mouth: http://www.dotcast.com/pdf/dNTSC_tutorial.pdf "In a nutshell, the dNTSC system inserts data as a quadrature component to the TV signal. With Dotcast?s patented data insertion and extraction techniques, the dNTSC system can provide unimpaired analog television viewing while simultaneously delivering errorfree, rich multimedia content to a TV station?s Grade A contour?for example, about 1.7 million people in Los Angeles, CA for an ABC affiliate station." Isn't that less than 20 percent of the population (9,937,739 in 2004, according to http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/06/06037.html, which makes this 1.7M 17 percent). The way Dotcast works, first you provide your street address (and name, and e-mail address) on their web site, *then* they tell you whether you have coverage. Well, I suppose under those constraints, you can claim pretty good reliability. By the way, I visited Best Buy yesterday. I spoke to one sales person who insisted she wanted me to ask questions about their products. So I gave in and asked where the recording devices for DTT were. She gave me a blank stare. I was asking in Chinese, evidently. Then I spoke with a more "mature" salesperson who seemed completely tuned in to my questions. He said that he had bought a 32" Sony XBR integrated LCD TV, and that the ATSC receiver was much better than all the previous ones he tried. He also lives south of the DC area, and he said he could receive the two stations I can't seem to get *without* having to re-aim his antenna, but only on this Sony. One of the two is due West of where we live, and the other is WETA-DT on a low tower and at low power. The good news being that maybe other brands than just LG seem to have mastered 8-VSB. (Or maybe Sony builds in LG receivers.) I asked him about the dearth of DTT products, like recorders. He thought this had more to do with copy HD protection issues than anything else. He thinks they will soon become available. We'll see. Bert _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.