[opendtv] Re: Off topic: Researchers uncover potent greenhouse gas
- From: "Dale Kelly" <dalekelly@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:54:54 -0700
The NASA report is a combination of NASA and NOAA's gathering of data from
many sources. How do you conclude that it is based upon a sparsity of
monitoring points? Clearly that is true for the reports early years but that
is unlikely the case for the later years.
I do have some knowledge of NOAA's current capabilities, which are
extensive.
<"not supported" is passive voice".> How is this important?
Again, we ignore the primary subject of this thread, which is a newly
introduced and seemingly more powerful source green house gas. Global
climate change (currently warming) is a fact and is supported by Craig's
posting. However we do not know exactly why temperatures have risen so
sharply in the past 30 years and each new piece of evidence is helpful in
the analysis.
Dale
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> "not supported" is passive voice. Just what percentage of actual -- say,
> habitated -- points on the earth is represented by the NASA data? (very
> small, close to nil). And, what do we have to compare it to?
>
> Seems to me to be an exercise akin to blind folk describing an elephant.
>
> John Willkie
>
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> nombre de Dale Kelly
> Enviado el: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:16 AM
> Para: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Asunto: [opendtv] Re: Off topic: Researchers uncover potent greenhouse gas
>
> Graig wrote
> > We have been in a period of global cooling since 1998, with a rather
> > dramatic drop in 2007.
>
> Your Global Cooling proposition is not supported by the facts as presented
> in the following NASA global mean temperature records. You simply cannot
> prove a predisposition by cherry picking data to support that position.
> The NASA records clearly show that 2007 was actually warmer than 1998.
> However, data for the first seven months of 2008 do show a
> relative cooling,
> though these cooler temperatures are still significantly warmer than the
> mean average temperature baseline. Rather than miss characterizing this as
> "Global cooling, it is best described by "the temperature rise in 2008 has
> slowed somewhat"
>
> http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts.txt
>
>
> > Consider the work of Don J. Easterbrook, Professor Emeritus
> > geomorphology; glacial geology; Pleistocene geochronology;
> > environmental and engineering geology; Western Washington University.
>
> This presentation seems factual, is very interesting and is well presented
> but the conclusions are simply one mans opinion. He does conclude that
> warming is a fact but cannot prove or disprove that Co2 increases due to
> human activities are a source for this increased warming.
>
> *In conclusion:* your reply does not address the original posting which
> reports a newer and more powerful human activity related green
> house gases.
>
>
>
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