Hi Ciril, Just a wee query. Do you notice any difference in quality, i.e. resolution/definition/clarity between SD digital sky reception and SD terrestrial transmission? (This is assuming the same original source material). I understand that there is still only rare HD content in Australia at the moment. Barry Wilkins -----Original Message----- From: ciril.kosorok@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ciril.kosorok@xxxxxxxxxxx]=20 Sent: Tuesday, 12 October 2004 3:10 p.m. To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [opendtv] Re: (No Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:30:37 -0400 In Australia, COFDM was chosen on technical grounds following extensive=20 ATSC vs COFDM field and lab trials.=20 Most Australian observers would agree our HD path was a political=20 decision, but that's now 'water under the bridge'. Broadcasters, CE=20 suppliers and retailers are united in the promotion of digital TV be it SD=20 or HD as both produce bloody terrific pictures! This combined effort has accelerated Plasma (480P panel resolution!!!) / LCD widescreen sales that=20 has I'm sorry to observe also seen a rapid decline of widescreen CRT's.=20 Ciril Kosorok - Australia "John Willkie" <johnwillkie@xxxxxxxxxx> Sent by:=20 opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 2004-10-12 10:24 AM Please respond to opendtv =20 To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> cc:=20 Subject: [opendtv] Re: (No Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:30:37=20 -0400 Classification:=20 No, I don't think that it was political, but I'll leave that to people who followed Australia's adoption closely. I suspect it was economic, with increased revenue for local manufacturers. Perhaps not. But, since you put the question to me, I cannot answer it, since my point was that I doubt that Canada nor Mexico was influenced by U.S. politics. Trying to turn that into Australia adopting COFDM due to politics is a=20 point someone else will have to make. I can say that Australia adopted COFDM, but in a manner very much=20 U.S.-like. They did not do it to dumb down and denigrate broadcasting. As far as I can see, this is quite unlike all the other COFDM countries, which clearly did it to denigrate broadcasting and broadcasters. John Willkie -----Original Message----- From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Barry Wilkins Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 2:57 PM To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [opendtv] Re: (No Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:30:37 -0400 So John, Why exactly, in your opinion, did Australia choose COFDM rather than 8-VSB? They had adequate information and did thorough testing. They are interested in HDTV just like the US. Do you think it was it political? Barry Wilkins -----Original Message----- From: John Willkie [mailto:johnwillkie@xxxxxxxxxx]=3D20 Sent: Tuesday, 12 October 2004 7:19 a.m. To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [opendtv] Re: (No Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:30:37 -0400 Yes, you aren't in your right mind. Nobody is asking anybody to make a decision vis a vis COFDM vs 8VSB now, at least in most countries. For example, is that an active discussion in France, Germany or the UK? Yet, when people in their right mind make the decision -- Mexico unduly influenced by the U.S., yeah, that seems logical to somebody living on Roosevelt Island -- and they make a decision contrary to your uninformed objectives, the decision is political. You are clueless about politics: national and international. (I have no data points on local or state). Indeed, the argument can be made that the people advocating COFDM need to resort to politics to make their arguments stick (a bit.) And, there is ample evidence that the COFDM advocates have a tin ear when it comes to politics. Note: I don't play politics, but I do watch, from somewhat of a remove. You want to ignore the market dynamics aspects of the decision to a purely engineering one. That's a non-starter, since IN COUNTRIES WHERE 8-VSB has BEEN ADOPTED, commercial broadcasters outnumber non-commercial or governmental ones. In countries where COFDM has been adopted (save only Australia) the non-commercial and governmental broadcasters far outnumber the commercial ones. So, when the market-oriented management of TV stations, groups and networks hear your arguments (save for Sinclair, which follows it's own drummer down to inner Baltimore to pick up ... never mind) they think: do we want to be like the U.K. or Germany. You do have an up: getting the wannabes, entities with only aspirations of distribution but lacking content or access to content, to go your way. After they fail, broadcasters might be interested in picking up the distressed assets IF YOU HAVE DEVELOPED NEW AND EXCITING SERVICES. Mark my words. John Willkie -----Original Message----- From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Bob Miller Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 9:19 AM To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [opendtv] Re: (No Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:30:37 -0400 Kon Wilms wrote: >Bob Miller wrote: > > >>No one in there right mind would chose 8-VSB over COFDM now, in 2000, in >>1999 or five years from now. Mexico, Canada S. Korea and the US were all >>political decisions IMO. The best interest of the public were not and >>are not being considered. >> >> > >You forgot to remove the punctuation mark ',' after the words 'COFDM now'. > >Cheers >Kon > Are you suggesting that I am living in the past? How about ... No one in their right mind would chose 8-VSB over COFDM now, or in 2000, or in 1999, or five years from now. You didn't mention that I misspelled their as there. 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