[opendtv] Re: (No Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:30:37 -0400

This is a bit much.

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Larry Bloomfield, KA6UTC
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From: <peter.wilson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 7:20 AM
Subject: [opendtv] Re: (No Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:30:37 -0400


> Hi=20all,
> I=20dont=20normally=20comment=20on=20this=20reflector=20but=20=20I=20think=
> =20this=2016-9=20or=204-3=20argument
> will=20soon=20naturally=20die=20away.
>
> I=20live=20in=20the=20Uk=20where=20virtually=20all=20receivers=20of=2024"=20=
> and=20up=20are=2016-9=20and=20have
> been=20for=20several=20=20years.
> The=20most=20common=20size=20today=20is=2028",=20a=20typical=20low=20end=20=
> 28"=2016-9=20sells=20in=20the
> Supermarket=20Aisle=20for=20$280=20($1.8=3D=A31).=20
> I=20dont=20know=20if=20this=20is=20a=20high=20price=20in=20the=20US=20or=20=
> not.=20The=20next=20most=20popular=20size
> which=20I=20have,=20is=2032",=20over=20that=20size=20people=20buy=20projec=
> tion=20or=20Plasma's.=20The
> price=20is=20falling=20extremely=20rapidly.=20Many=20other=20European=20Co=
> untries=20are=20the=20same.
>
> I=20guess=20while=20the=20CE=20guy's=20can=20sell=20as=20many=2016-9's=20a=
> s=20they=20can=20make=20outside=20the
> US,=20the=20US=20is=20a=20convenient=20dumping=20ground=20for=204-3=20sets=
> =20before=20the=20CE=20guy's
> finally=20shut=20down=20the=20last=204-3=20CRT=20manufacturing=20Lines.(Al=
> ready=20extinct=20in=20Japan
> and=20Europe=20I=20believe)
>
> Most=20of=20the=20CE=20guy's=20are=20well=20on=20the=20way=20to=20converti=
> ng=20to=20LCD=20or=20Plasma=20TV's
> which=20here=20are=20mostly=2016-9=20except=20in=20the=20Small=20sizes=20(=
> sub=2020").
>
> Just=20for=20reference=20a=20Free=20view=20box=20(over=20the=20air=20Digit=
> al=20SD)=20costs=20less=20than
> $75.
>
> It=20is=20still=20for=20some=20reason=20more=20common=20to=20have=20a=20se=
> parate=20DTT=20tuner=20than
> integrated.
>
> There=20is=20now=20a=20move=20towards=20HDTV=20but=20this=20will=20be=20in=
> itially=20be=20by=20sattelite.
> Peter
>
> ____________________Reply=20Separator____________________
> Subject:=20=20=20=20[opendtv]=20Re:=20(No=20Date:=20Tue,=2028=20Sep=202004=
> =2010:30:37=20-0400
> Author:=20opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date:=20=20=20=20=20=20=2025/10/2004=2017:19
>
> At=207:17=20PM=20-0400=2010/24/04,=20Manfredi,=20Albert=20E=20wrote:
>>Craig=20Birkmaier=20wrote:
>>
>>>=20=20You=20STILL=20don't=20get=20it.=2016:9=20is=20a=20DISPLAY=20aspect=
>
>>>=20=20ratio.=20It=20may=20well=20dominate=20in=20the=20future.
>>
>>Which=20is=20exactly=20what=20the=20Grand=20Alliance=20was=20talking
>>about,=20Craig.=20When=20they=20proposed=2016:9=20and=20square
>>pixels,=20guess=20what,=20they=20were=20talking=20about=20the
>>display.=20Now=20do=20you=20get=20it?
>
> NO=20BERT,=20I=20don't=20get=20your=20twisted=20logic.
>
> The=20Grand=20Alliance=20and=20ATSC=20have=20absolutely=20NO=20control=20o=
> ver=20display=20
> aspect=20ratios.=20Table=20three=20lists=20the=20constraints=20on=20source=
> =20aspect=20
> ratio=20that=20are=20permissible=20in=20the=20ATSC=20standard.=20=20And=20=
> the=20FCC=20chose=20
> to=20remove=20Table=203=20from=20the=20standard.
>
> CE=20manufacturers=20are=20the=20ones=20who=20have=20control=20over=20disp=
> lay=20aspect=20
> ratio.=20There=20are=20NO=20restrictions=20on=20what=20they=20can=20offer=20=
> in=20terms=20of=20
> display=20aspect=20ratio,=20size=20or=20resolution.=20Look=20at=20the=20FC=
> C=20order=20
> mandating=20ATSC=20receivers=20in=20new=20TV=20receivers=20-=20you=20will=20=
> NOT=20find=20ANY=20
> restrictions=20on=20display=20aspect=20ratio.
>
> That=20being=20said,=20there=20was=20(and=20still=20is)=20a=20subset=20of=20=
> both=20
> broadcasters=20and=20video=20equipment=20and=20display=20manufacturers=20w=
> ho=20pushed=20
> VERY=20HARD=20for=2016:9.=20Some=20of=20these=20vidiots=20are=20still=20wo=
> rking=20through=20
> the=20ITU=20to=20specify=20that=20ONLY=201080=20lines=20can=20be=20conside=
> red=20to=20be=20HDTV=20
> and=20thus=20used=20as=20an=20international=20standard=20for=20program=20d=
> istribution.
>
> This=20is=20NOTHING=20MORE=20that=20an=20attempt=20to=20control=20the=20ev=
> olution=20of=20a=20
> huge=20market=20through=20control=20of=20supply,=20with=20the=20creative=20=
> use=20of=20
> lawyers=20and=20lot's=20of=20money=20to=20get=20the=20politicians=20to=20c=
> reate=20the=20
> perception=20that=20you=20need=20to=20buy=20a=20new=20TV.
>
> It=20has=20nothing=20to=20do=20with=20recognized=20science.=20It=20has=20n=
> othing=20to=20do=20
> with=20the=20reality=20that=20the=20marketplace=20can=20deal=20with=20thes=
> e=20issues=20
> without=20the=20need=20for=20CONSTRAINTS=20that=20favor=20specific=20produ=
> cts=20and=20
> manufacturers.
>
>>=20=20>=20Hollywood=20is=20not=20using=2016:9=20Bert,=20except=20for=20so=
> me
>>>=20=20shows=20they=20produce=20for=20TV.
>>
>>Since=20you=20insist=20on=20repeating=20this=20comment,=20the
>>most=20common=20ratio=20used=20by=20Hollywood=20is=201.85:1,
>>which=20for=20all=20intents=20and=20purposes=20is=20the=20same=20as
>>16:9.=20The=20overscan=20in=20TVs=20easily=20covers=20up=20the
>>difference.=20So=20there=20is=20no=20mismatch=20issue=20with
>>Hollywood's=20most=20common=20ratio.
>
> Actually=20this=20is=20NOT=20completely=20true.=201.85:1=20may=20still=20d=
> ominate=20ALL=20
> releases,=20but=20it=20does=20not=20dominate=20economically,=20since=20mos=
> t=20of=20the=20
> blockbusters=20use=20wider=20aspect=20ratios.=20=20And=20now=20that=20TV=20=
> is=20going=20
> wider,=20Hollywood=20is=20going=20even=20wider=20to=20differentiate=20itse=
> lf.
>
>>
>>The=202.35:1=20is=20accommodated=20as=20I=20explained=20above:
>>either=20with=20distortion=20or=20with=20black=20bars.=20With
>>a=2016:9=20display=20aspect=20ratio,=20the=20distortion=20or
>>annoying=20black=20bars=20are=20going=20to=20be=20less=20that=20they
>>would=20be=20over=20a=20legacy=204:3=20display.
>
> Duh...
>
> 2.35:1=20is=20but=20one=20of=20several=20hundred=20film=20formats=20shot=20=
> by=20Hollywood.=20
> There=20appears=20to=20be=20growing=20use=20of=202:1,=20and=20other=20aspe=
> ct=20ratios=20that=20
> are=20not=20as=20wide=20as=202.35:1.
>
>>
>>>=20=204:3=20sets=20are=20still=20outselling=20widescreen=20models
>>>=20=20by=20a=20huge=20factor.=20Yes=20this=20will=20change.
>>
>>Finally.=20Thank=20you.=20It=20will=20change=20because=20new
>>display=20technologies=20don't=20involve=20a=20*cost*
>>premium=20for=20wide=20aspect=20ratio,=20and=20because=20the
>>source=20content=20will=20be=20predominately=20wide.=20And
>>TV=20and=20movie=20content=20is=20*primarily*=20going=20to
>>be=20viewed=20full=20screen,=20even=20if=20*occasionally*
>>people=20might=20view=20it=20in=20a=20window.
>
> Sorry,=20but=20widescreen=20DOES,=20and=20will=20continue=20to=20come=20wi=
> th=20a=20cost=20
> premium.=20Go=20to=20the=20stores=20and=20look=20around=20Bert.=20Most=20o=
> f=20the=20CHEAP=20HD=20
> capable=20sets=20have=204:3=20not=2016:9=20screens.=20LCD=20and=20plasma=20=
> displays=20are=20
> going=20wide,=20but=20it=20is=20still=20cheaper=20to=20make=20a=204:3=20li=
> ghtbulb=20than=20a=20
> 16:9=20lightbulb.
>
>>My=20comment=20was=20that=20the=20Grand=20Alliance=20proposal
>>is=20being=20adopted=20de=20facto,=20and=20I=20see=20that
>>finally=20you=20have=20come=20to=20the=20same=20conclusion.
>
> I=20see=20absolutely=20no=20evidence=20of=20this.=20Please=20let=20me=20kn=
> ow=20when=2016:9=20
> become=20the=20dominant=20(i.e.=2051%=20of=20the=20market)=20aspect=20rati=
> o=20for=20ALL=20TV=20
> displays=20and=20receivers=20sold.
>
> Regards
> Craig
> =20
> =20
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