[opendtv] Re: (No Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:30:37 -0400

  • From: peter.wilson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:20:14 +0100

Hi=20all,
I=20dont=20normally=20comment=20on=20this=20reflector=20but=20=20I=20think=
=20this=2016-9=20or=204-3=20argument
will=20soon=20naturally=20die=20away.

I=20live=20in=20the=20Uk=20where=20virtually=20all=20receivers=20of=2024"=20=
and=20up=20are=2016-9=20and=20have
been=20for=20several=20=20years.
The=20most=20common=20size=20today=20is=2028",=20a=20typical=20low=20end=20=
28"=2016-9=20sells=20in=20the
Supermarket=20Aisle=20for=20$280=20($1.8=3D=A31).=20
I=20dont=20know=20if=20this=20is=20a=20high=20price=20in=20the=20US=20or=20=
not.=20The=20next=20most=20popular=20size
which=20I=20have,=20is=2032",=20over=20that=20size=20people=20buy=20projec=
tion=20or=20Plasma's.=20The
price=20is=20falling=20extremely=20rapidly.=20Many=20other=20European=20Co=
untries=20are=20the=20same.

I=20guess=20while=20the=20CE=20guy's=20can=20sell=20as=20many=2016-9's=20a=
s=20they=20can=20make=20outside=20the
US,=20the=20US=20is=20a=20convenient=20dumping=20ground=20for=204-3=20sets=
=20before=20the=20CE=20guy's
finally=20shut=20down=20the=20last=204-3=20CRT=20manufacturing=20Lines.(Al=
ready=20extinct=20in=20Japan
and=20Europe=20I=20believe)

Most=20of=20the=20CE=20guy's=20are=20well=20on=20the=20way=20to=20converti=
ng=20to=20LCD=20or=20Plasma=20TV's
which=20here=20are=20mostly=2016-9=20except=20in=20the=20Small=20sizes=20(=
sub=2020").

Just=20for=20reference=20a=20Free=20view=20box=20(over=20the=20air=20Digit=
al=20SD)=20costs=20less=20than
$75.

It=20is=20still=20for=20some=20reason=20more=20common=20to=20have=20a=20se=
parate=20DTT=20tuner=20than
integrated.

There=20is=20now=20a=20move=20towards=20HDTV=20but=20this=20will=20be=20in=
itially=20be=20by=20sattelite.
Peter

____________________Reply=20Separator____________________
Subject:=20=20=20=20[opendtv]=20Re:=20(No=20Date:=20Tue,=2028=20Sep=202004=
=2010:30:37=20-0400
Author:=20opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date:=20=20=20=20=20=20=2025/10/2004=2017:19

At=207:17=20PM=20-0400=2010/24/04,=20Manfredi,=20Albert=20E=20wrote:
>Craig=20Birkmaier=20wrote:
>
>>=20=20You=20STILL=20don't=20get=20it.=2016:9=20is=20a=20DISPLAY=20aspect=

>>=20=20ratio.=20It=20may=20well=20dominate=20in=20the=20future.
>
>Which=20is=20exactly=20what=20the=20Grand=20Alliance=20was=20talking
>about,=20Craig.=20When=20they=20proposed=2016:9=20and=20square
>pixels,=20guess=20what,=20they=20were=20talking=20about=20the
>display.=20Now=20do=20you=20get=20it?

NO=20BERT,=20I=20don't=20get=20your=20twisted=20logic.

The=20Grand=20Alliance=20and=20ATSC=20have=20absolutely=20NO=20control=20o=
ver=20display=20
aspect=20ratios.=20Table=20three=20lists=20the=20constraints=20on=20source=
=20aspect=20
ratio=20that=20are=20permissible=20in=20the=20ATSC=20standard.=20=20And=20=
the=20FCC=20chose=20
to=20remove=20Table=203=20from=20the=20standard.

CE=20manufacturers=20are=20the=20ones=20who=20have=20control=20over=20disp=
lay=20aspect=20
ratio.=20There=20are=20NO=20restrictions=20on=20what=20they=20can=20offer=20=
in=20terms=20of=20
display=20aspect=20ratio,=20size=20or=20resolution.=20Look=20at=20the=20FC=
C=20order=20
mandating=20ATSC=20receivers=20in=20new=20TV=20receivers=20-=20you=20will=20=
NOT=20find=20ANY=20
restrictions=20on=20display=20aspect=20ratio.

That=20being=20said,=20there=20was=20(and=20still=20is)=20a=20subset=20of=20=
both=20
broadcasters=20and=20video=20equipment=20and=20display=20manufacturers=20w=
ho=20pushed=20
VERY=20HARD=20for=2016:9.=20Some=20of=20these=20vidiots=20are=20still=20wo=
rking=20through=20
the=20ITU=20to=20specify=20that=20ONLY=201080=20lines=20can=20be=20conside=
red=20to=20be=20HDTV=20
and=20thus=20used=20as=20an=20international=20standard=20for=20program=20d=
istribution.

This=20is=20NOTHING=20MORE=20that=20an=20attempt=20to=20control=20the=20ev=
olution=20of=20a=20
huge=20market=20through=20control=20of=20supply,=20with=20the=20creative=20=
use=20of=20
lawyers=20and=20lot's=20of=20money=20to=20get=20the=20politicians=20to=20c=
reate=20the=20
perception=20that=20you=20need=20to=20buy=20a=20new=20TV.

It=20has=20nothing=20to=20do=20with=20recognized=20science.=20It=20has=20n=
othing=20to=20do=20
with=20the=20reality=20that=20the=20marketplace=20can=20deal=20with=20thes=
e=20issues=20
without=20the=20need=20for=20CONSTRAINTS=20that=20favor=20specific=20produ=
cts=20and=20
manufacturers.

>=20=20>=20Hollywood=20is=20not=20using=2016:9=20Bert,=20except=20for=20so=
me
>>=20=20shows=20they=20produce=20for=20TV.
>
>Since=20you=20insist=20on=20repeating=20this=20comment,=20the
>most=20common=20ratio=20used=20by=20Hollywood=20is=201.85:1,
>which=20for=20all=20intents=20and=20purposes=20is=20the=20same=20as
>16:9.=20The=20overscan=20in=20TVs=20easily=20covers=20up=20the
>difference.=20So=20there=20is=20no=20mismatch=20issue=20with
>Hollywood's=20most=20common=20ratio.

Actually=20this=20is=20NOT=20completely=20true.=201.85:1=20may=20still=20d=
ominate=20ALL=20
releases,=20but=20it=20does=20not=20dominate=20economically,=20since=20mos=
t=20of=20the=20
blockbusters=20use=20wider=20aspect=20ratios.=20=20And=20now=20that=20TV=20=
is=20going=20
wider,=20Hollywood=20is=20going=20even=20wider=20to=20differentiate=20itse=
lf.

>
>The=202.35:1=20is=20accommodated=20as=20I=20explained=20above:
>either=20with=20distortion=20or=20with=20black=20bars.=20With
>a=2016:9=20display=20aspect=20ratio,=20the=20distortion=20or
>annoying=20black=20bars=20are=20going=20to=20be=20less=20that=20they
>would=20be=20over=20a=20legacy=204:3=20display.

Duh...

2.35:1=20is=20but=20one=20of=20several=20hundred=20film=20formats=20shot=20=
by=20Hollywood.=20
There=20appears=20to=20be=20growing=20use=20of=202:1,=20and=20other=20aspe=
ct=20ratios=20that=20
are=20not=20as=20wide=20as=202.35:1.

>
>>=20=204:3=20sets=20are=20still=20outselling=20widescreen=20models
>>=20=20by=20a=20huge=20factor.=20Yes=20this=20will=20change.
>
>Finally.=20Thank=20you.=20It=20will=20change=20because=20new
>display=20technologies=20don't=20involve=20a=20*cost*
>premium=20for=20wide=20aspect=20ratio,=20and=20because=20the
>source=20content=20will=20be=20predominately=20wide.=20And
>TV=20and=20movie=20content=20is=20*primarily*=20going=20to
>be=20viewed=20full=20screen,=20even=20if=20*occasionally*
>people=20might=20view=20it=20in=20a=20window.

Sorry,=20but=20widescreen=20DOES,=20and=20will=20continue=20to=20come=20wi=
th=20a=20cost=20
premium.=20Go=20to=20the=20stores=20and=20look=20around=20Bert.=20Most=20o=
f=20the=20CHEAP=20HD=20
capable=20sets=20have=204:3=20not=2016:9=20screens.=20LCD=20and=20plasma=20=
displays=20are=20
going=20wide,=20but=20it=20is=20still=20cheaper=20to=20make=20a=204:3=20li=
ghtbulb=20than=20a=20
16:9=20lightbulb.

>My=20comment=20was=20that=20the=20Grand=20Alliance=20proposal
>is=20being=20adopted=20de=20facto,=20and=20I=20see=20that
>finally=20you=20have=20come=20to=20the=20same=20conclusion.

I=20see=20absolutely=20no=20evidence=20of=20this.=20Please=20let=20me=20kn=
ow=20when=2016:9=20
become=20the=20dominant=20(i.e.=2051%=20of=20the=20market)=20aspect=20rati=
o=20for=20ALL=20TV=20
displays=20and=20receivers=20sold.

Regards
Craig
=20
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