I'd like to see the interface document. I suspect, however, that I might not need it; my PSIP system was tested there last fall, and I only lacked proper CRC-32. Caveat: we didn't test against, and I hadn't written, the real-time part to deal with program preemptions and table changes at the three hour mark. I've since written this part, but have yet to test it; and won't until I finish EtherGuide Ferret in the next week or two. Just last night, I wrote the function needed to do 32-bit unsigned integer addition in visual basic. The first use will be in the crc-32 algorithm (as I just posted to my PSIP list) on the t&m side. Then, I will be able to finish the EtherGuide Ferret PSIP generator, with full Directed Channel Change support. John Willkie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Codejones" <codesjones@xxxxxxxxx> To: "opentv" <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 12:02 PM Subject: [opendtv] Re: News: Those licenses will soon be worthless... > To clear this up the TSM1000 does only support the DSI, but there > TSM/TSS 2800 supports the published Ethernet table interface. Triveni > is the only company that I know of for sure that has implemented the > interface. I think that Linx has also implemented this interface, but I > am not sure. All of the LI Mux's have always supported table insertion > through the ASI/SMPTE 310 interfaces. They also support the carouseling, > in the event the the table generator *crashes*. This of course NEVER > HAPPENS. > > The LI mux also support a rules based user interface to force map the > PIDs to comply with any standard, now and tomorrow. > > The 18K is for the fully licensed TSS with all 8 inputs and outputs. > You can buy it as a TSM with 2, 4, 6 and 8 inputs and save money. This > is a bargain compared to the Thales or Tandberg mux. > > I can get you a copy of there open Ethernet specification. > > Codejones > > > On Wed, 2005-04-27 at 11:29 -0700, John Willkie wrote: > > Yes, but the LI TSS/TSM-2800 is a 18K+ "solution.." > > > > And, "ATSC harmonization recommendattion" is moot: you cannot use pids > > below 48. That's now in the a/53 spec and the code point document, the > > program paradigm has been eliminated, and the harmonization recommendation > > only applied to pids between 16 and 31. > > > > While the -1000 Logic Innovations mux supports only the Triveni DSI (data > > server interface), the -2800s support DVB-ASI, Ethernet and DSI interfaces. > > Last I heard (I forgot to raise this matter with Phil England, LI's > > engineering jefe last week), however, only the Ethernet port input permits > > you to mux live table sections into the transport stream. I do know that > > using the DVB-ASI input for table sections (live and carouseling) was in > > their "to-do" list, and is listed in their Remote Section Management > > Protocol document. > > > > BTW, the spelling is Triveni, not Trivini (or Trevino, as I once spelt it.) > > > > I was wondering when/if they would address PSI, and am suprised to hear they > > partially support DVB-SI: I wonder what the customer request was. > > > > John Willkie > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Codejones" <codesjones@xxxxxxxxx> > > To: "opentv" <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 9:35 AM > > Subject: [opendtv] Re: News: Those licenses will soon be worthless... > > > > > > > The Trivini GB also uses the Ethernet with the Logic Innovations Mux and > > > the Logic Innovations Mux can also take ASI in or SMPTE 310 and output > > > both ASI and SMPTE 310. The Logic Innovations Mux also can > > > automatically remap PIDs to comply to the ATSC harmonizing > > > recommendation. > > > > > > > > > Codejones > > > > > > On Wed, 2005-04-27 at 12:09 -0400, John Shutt wrote: > > > > CJ, > > > > > > > > As Mr. Willkie pointed out, the ATSC chicken came first, then it laid > > the > > > > DVB-SI egg, so you are correct. > > > > > > > > However, it still spits out it's data to our multiplexer using DVB-ASI! > > ;^) > > > > Only our exciter uses SMPTE 310, and it is a bear to keep pristine. > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Codejones" <codesjones@xxxxxxxxx> > > > > To: "opentv" <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 12:04 PM > > > > Subject: [opendtv] Re: News: Those licenses will soon be worthless... > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Trivini system was written to support PSIP tables and then later > > > > > modified to support the MPEG PSI tables in the cases that the encoder > > > > > could not be configured correctly. They later added the support for a > > > > > few of the DVB SI tables, but are not fully compliant. > > > > > > > > > > With that being said you are correct it is not "exclusively ATSC" my > > > > > bad. > > > > > > > > > > Codejones > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2005-04-26 at 19:40 -0400, John Shutt wrote: > > > > >> In what way? The PSIP generator written by Trevini was based on > > their > > > > >> DVB-SI generator, with a few tweaks, and with a few DVB centric > > option > > > > >> boxes > > > > >> grayed out. It's an adaptation, like most of our other gear. > > > > >> > > > > >> John > > > > >> > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> From: "Codejones" <codesjones@xxxxxxxxx> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > John you forgot about that PSIP generator... > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Codejones > > > > >> > > > > >> >> About the only thing that is exclusively ATSC is our Axcera > > exciter. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> John Shutt > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >> You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > > > > >> > > > > >> - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings > > at > > > > >> FreeLists.org > > > > >> > > > > >> - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the > > word > > > > >> unsubscribe in the subject line. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > > > > > > > > > > - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at > > > > > FreeLists.org > > > > > > > > > > - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word > > > > > unsubscribe in the subject line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > > > > > > > > - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at > > FreeLists.org > > > > > > > > - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word > > unsubscribe in the subject line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > > > > > > - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at > > FreeLists.org > > > > > > - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word > > unsubscribe in the subject line. > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > > > > - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org > > > > - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > > - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org > > - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.