[opendtv] Re: News: The Real Fight Over Fake News

HBO's contracts with cable companies forbids this type of thing, and I am 
relatively certain that extends to digital.

Ya see, HBO wants about 50% of the standard HBO fee for each home that can 
watch HBO, whether the cable company collects it or not.

John Willkie

-----Original Message-----
>From: Tom Barry <trbarry@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Jun 9, 2008 1:17 AM
>To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [opendtv] Re: News: The Real Fight Over Fake News
>
>Back in Detroit on MediaOne->AT&T->Comcast (same cable subscription) I 
>could get one channel of HBO as something like channel 5 analog for the 
>longest time, maybe 10-20 years without subscribing to anything more 
>than (extended?) basic cable.  Because of the channel placement I had to 
>assume it was on purpose and they knew about it.  Whatever reason, maybe 
>that carries over to digital.
>
>- Tom
>
>
>John Willkie wrote:
>> not for me, but for my mother.  It was free when I checked more than three 
>> years ago, and it is free now.  I didn't check in between.
>> 
>> I think it's a serious mis-configuration error.  I was floored when I first 
>> discovere it more than 3 years ago.  I suspect nobody is complaining about 
>> it to Cox.
>> 
>> John Willkie
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Adam Goldberg <adam_g@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Jun 8, 2008 7:04 AM
>>> To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [opendtv] Re: News: The Real Fight Over Fake News
>>>
>>>> and one channel of HBO for NO additional cost.
>>> That's certainly a short-term error/misconfiguration, no?  How long has HBO 
>>> been free for you?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
>>> Behalf Of John Willkie
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 1:05 AM
>>> To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [opendtv] Re: News: The Real Fight Over Fake News
>>>
>>> I can' speak to "the majority of cable programming", but I believe the 
>>> statement is incorrect.
>>>
>>> What is gained -- at least in the case I'm most recently familiar with -- 
>>> is the clear QAM receiver permits analog customers on Cox Cable San Diego 
>>> (their largest system) to get many DIGITAL channels, all local channels, 
>>> and one channel of HBO for NO additional cost.
>>>
>>> Did I highlight that?  HBO in the clear?  I think there's a good case for 
>>> encrypting the Hallmark Channel and other mini-pays, but to not encrypt all 
>>> channels of HBO is something that I have no doubt violates the HBO contract 
>>> with Cox.
>>>
>>> Assume nothing.
>>>
>>> John Willkie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Craig Birkmaier <craig@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Jun 6, 2008 6:53 AM
>>>> To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [opendtv] Re: News: The Real Fight Over Fake News
>>>>
>>>> At 9:46 PM -0400 6/5/08, Tom Barry wrote:
>>>>> Sorry, I can't quote any numbers or hard facts, only my own opinion 
>>>>> picked up from hanging out on AVS and from shopping for a low end 
>>>>> LCD when my projector bulb popped a few months ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I can say that, at the low end, both Target's Olevia and 
>>>>> Walmart's Vizio newer models all seem to support clear QAM.  I ended 
>>>>> up with a Vizio and can say it has no problems with it on Cox.  And 
>>>>> I think Vizio is now something like the 2nd best selling LCD brand 
>>>>> now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Until the sparsity of 'hard facts' is corrected I'm going to stick 
>>>>> with my previous opinion that clear QAM support will become an 
>>>>> expected option in most sets going forward.  And I also think 
>>>>> true2way has some momentum building.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Tom
>>>> While clear QAM support may exist in many new receivers, what is it good 
>>>> for?
>>>>
>>>> Apparently you can see some broadcast re-transmissions, but 
>>>> presumably you could get them with an antenna. It is my understanding 
>>>> that virtually all digital cable content is encrypted...
>>>>
>>>> Is this what most people are finding?
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Craig
>>>>
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