[opendtv] Re: News: The Real Fight Over Fake News

  • From: Tom Barry <trbarry@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 07:23:30 -0400



John Willkie wrote:
> "for the most part" is weasel-phrasing.
>
> If you get encrypted channels -- I don't believe there exists the concept of an open key in this world -- yuo have cracked them, and Section 705 ("Privacy of Communication) of the Communications Act comes into play.
>
> If you are able to watch at least one channel that should have been encrypted, that's simply the problem/fault of the cable company.

I can watch NO encrypted channels. My use of the phrase "for the most part" did imply some exception to the rest of the statement but that exception only referred to a couple unencrypted digital non-broadcast public access channels and some local Cox sports channel that I never watch. It previously didn't seem worthwhile elaborating.

I'm not sure why you called my statement 'weasel phrasing', or what you think I was attempting to get away with. But, per your other post, I cannot get any HBO channels here on Cox cable without a subscription.

At my previous residence here in Gainesville I could get most of the extended basic channels in fuzzy analog because (I assume) they didn't have the traps on, though I did not remove the traps and didn't watch the channels (HD snob me). But here at my new place I can only get up to about analog cable channel 25, plus the few unencrypted digital channels that are in the 100-110 range.

- Tom (seriously, no weasling attempted)



"for the most part" is weasel-phrasing.

If you get encrypted channels -- I don't believe there exists the concept of an open key in this world -- yuo have cracked them, and Section 705 ("Privacy of Communication) of the Communications Act comes into play.
If you are able to watch at least one channel that should have been encrypted, 
that's simply the problem/fault of the cable company.

I kind of wonder how cable is able to charge for digital when you have access 
to many digital cable channels when you hook up a DTV receiver to cable.

Boy, that's hot news.  Cable is easier to use than an antenna.  Wait until this 
news gets out?  Next thing, you'll be telling us that more channels are 
available on cable than over the air!

John Willkie

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Barry <trbarry@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Jun 6, 2008 4:19 PM
To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [opendtv] Re: News: The Real Fight Over Fake News

Yes, for the most part I can get only the unencrypted channels I could otherwise theoretically get with an OTA antenna. And for most of my years on this list I've been talking about my experiences with such OTA antennas, and why I seem to get more convenience and fewer drop-outs getting the same stations from cable clear QAM.

And a couple months ago I moved to a new residence, a duplex where my side does not even have access to the attic. So here I have not even bothered to put up my rooftop rotor. My Vizio TV and/or my MyHD card both get the same stations easier from cable, with my $5-10 / month lifeline basic cable subscription (plus the needed broadband).

- Tom

Craig Birkmaier wrote:
At 9:46 PM -0400 6/5/08, Tom Barry wrote:
Sorry, I can't quote any numbers or hard facts, only my own opinion picked up from hanging out on AVS and from shopping for a low end LCD when my projector bulb popped a few months ago.

But I can say that, at the low end, both Target's Olevia and Walmart's Vizio newer models all seem to support clear QAM. I ended up with a Vizio and can say it has no problems with it on Cox. And I think Vizio is now something like the 2nd best selling LCD brand now.

Until the sparsity of 'hard facts' is corrected I'm going to stick with my previous opinion that clear QAM support will become an expected option in most sets going forward. And I also think true2way has some momentum building.

- Tom
While clear QAM support may exist in many new receivers, what is it good for?

Apparently you can see some broadcast re-transmissions, but presumably you could get them with an antenna. It is my understanding that virtually all digital cable content is encrypted...

Is this what most people are finding?

Regards
Craig


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