[opendtv] Re: News: Nielsen Gives Fuzzy Picture of HDTV Penetration
- From: "John Willkie" <johnwillkie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 12:02:04 -0800
I'm not familiar with Fred at KUSI, the last time I checked, C.R. Large was
the CE. I suspect Fred merely answers the phone; Dick Large isn't that easy
to get ahold of.
Jeremy is probably at home, but his skype status is as of this moment,
"Away." I won't bother him except that I just sent him an IM asking him to
respond to your voice mail message. (He just responded, he's at home, doing
some repair work, and appararently can't get vm until he's at the office.
Somehow, I think repairing the leaking toilet takes priority.)
Here's KYES-DT setting for video on program 1 as of last night:
MPEG Video: Bitrate 5.000 Mbps Resolution 704 x 480i
MPEG Video: Framerate 29.97 fps Aspect Ratio 4:3 Chroma Format 4:2:0
Here's KYES-DT settings for video on program 3 as of last night:
MPEG Video: Bitrate 5.000 Mbps Resolution 704 x 480i
MPEG Video: Framerate 29.97 fps Aspect Ratio 4:3 Chroma Format reserved
Here's the video parameters for program 2 on KAKM (PBS) in Anchorage as of
10/20/2007 at 06:50:54 gmt:
MPEG Video: Bitrate 12.000 Mbps Resolution 704 x 480i
MPEG Video: Framerate 29.97 fps Aspect Ratio 4:3 Chroma Format 4:2:0
Here's the video paramters for program 3 on the KAKM, as of the same date
and time:
MPEG Video: Bitrate 12.000 Mbps Resolution 704 x 480i
MPEG Video: Framerate 29.97 fps Aspect Ratio 4:3 Chroma Format 4:2:0
Here's the video parameters for program 3 on KIMO-DT (ch 13) as of
10/20/2007 16:35:16 gmt
MPEG Video: Bitrate 15.000 Mbps Resolution 704 x 480i
MPEG Video: Framerate 29.97 fps Aspect Ratio 4:3 Chroma Format 4:2:0
Here's the video parameters for program 3 on KWBX-DT (ch 13, same transport
as the item immediately above) on the same date at time as above
MPEG Video: Bitrate 15.000 Mbps Resolution 704 x 480i
MPEG Video: Framerate 29.97 fps Aspect Ratio 4:3 Chroma Format 4:2:0
Here's the video parameters for program 2 on KCET (PBS, LA) as of 10/26/2007
03:20:15 GMT
MPEG Video: Bitrate 15.000 Mbps Resolution 704 x 480i
MPEG Video: Framerate 29.97 fps Aspect Ratio 4:3 Chroma Format 4:2:0
Same station, same time, program 3
MPEG Video: Bitrate 15.000 Mbps Resolution 704 x 480i
MPEG Video: Framerate 29.97 fps Aspect Ratio 4:3 Chroma Format 4:2:0
Same station, same time, program 4
MPEG Video: Bitrate 15.000 Mbps Resolution 704 x 480i
MPEG Video: Framerate 29.97 fps Aspect Ratio 4:3 Chroma Format 4:2:0
Here's the video parameters for KNBC (NBC o&o), program 4, as of 10/26/2007
02:56:00 gmt
MPEG Video: Bitrate 15.000 Mbps Resolution 704 x 480i
MPEG Video: Framerate 29.97 fps Aspect Ratio 4:3 Chroma Format 4:2:0
Here's the video parameters for KNSD (NBC operated but not fully owned, San
Diego) on program 4 as of 10/26/2007 03:14:13 GMT
MPEG Video: Bitrate 15.000 Mbps Resolution 704 x 480i
MPEG Video: Framerate 29.97 fps Aspect Ratio 4:3 Chroma Format 4:2:0
There's another one in Alaska that seems to be 704, but they haven't set
their parameters correctly. These are just the captures on my harddrive; I
did find two 720 streams.
I've also seen 704x480 video in San Francisco (on the ABC o&o there, plus
two others).
I've seen captures from Washington, DC stations that have 704 video.
Unfortunately, I am to close to KUSI-DT to capture a stream there at this
moment, and I don't have a capture from them at this moment, since they're
at my apartment, and I am not.
I don't make this up, John. You did. You know Lansing. I know just a bit
more.
Have at it, call all them up and ask them why they're not following your
prediction: but I don't care about Freds, without other information.
You see, John, in my business, we deal in facts.
John Willkie, who has seen 704 video in every market that he has ever
captured video in.
-----Mensaje original-----
De: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] En
nombre de John Shutt
Enviado el: Thursday, November 08, 2007 11:34 AM
Para: OpenDTV
Asunto: [opendtv] Re: News: Nielsen Gives Fuzzy Picture of HDTV Penetration
John,
I left a message for Jeremy Lansman, he wasn't in. If he returns my call
I'll report what I find.But I did talk to Fred at KUSI-TV who tells me that
they broadcast a single upconverted NTSC digital signal in 720p.
Since you receive San Diego stations, you should be able to reconfirm your
704x480i30 at 16x9 claim for them.
John.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Willkie" <johnwillkie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 1:27 PM
Subject: [opendtv] Re: News: Nielsen Gives Fuzzy Picture of HDTV Penetration
> Actually, I can think of two broadcasters in Anchorage Alaska (one is my
> customer, KYES-DT) that use 704x480 video. KYES-DT has two 704x480
> streams.
> At one time, they had three, until I bitched about 4:3 video in a 16:9
> frame.
>
> I have no connection to the other broadcaster; I couldn't even name the
> chief engineer. I can provide screen captures from TS_reader with the
> particulars, if you wish.
>
> Also, at least one broadcaster in Los Angeles (KXLA, I think) offered, the
> last time I checked, at least one 704x480 stream.
>
> In San Diego, KUSI-DT offers a badly-stretched 4:3 picture in 704x480.
>
> So, I have problems with your predicate. The three markets that I know of
> all provide 704x480 video. If you had said "no broadcaster in the
> Lansing,
> Michigan market uses 704x480", I wouldn't be able to dispute that. But
> currently -- at this very moment -- I know of three broadcasters that use
> 704x480 video.
>
> At KYES-DT, we've also tried 720x480, but that breaks a few receivers, and
> my customer is concerned about that. (We've done much testing in this
> area.)
>
> I read the entire post, John. It was incorrect, and your caveat didn't
> work.
>
> John Willkie, who tries (or tends to think he tries) to avoid
> all-encompassing statements when he only has a few data points.
>
> P.S. And, I'm assuming that "practical use" means more than 0
> broadcasters
> use it.
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] En
> nombre de John Shutt
> Enviado el: Thursday, November 08, 2007 10:12 AM
> Para: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Asunto: [opendtv] Re: News: Nielsen Gives Fuzzy Picture of HDTV
> Penetration
>
> John,
>
> Please re-read what I wrote.
>
> 704x480i in 16:9 is a valid ATSC format (yes I know table 3 was not
> adopted
> by the FCC) but it is not currently used by a single broadcaster in the
> United States. I said it would never be used. I said that perhaps 480p
> 16:9 would be used, but 480p is ED, not SD.
>
> I said that the only 16:9 native format IN PRACTICAL USE will be HD
> content.
>
> That includes 720p60, 1080i30, 1080p24, and 1080p30. For cable, that
> could
> also include 1080p60 using advanced codecs.
>
> Thank you for reading the entire post, not just what jumps out at you as
> wrong.
>
> John
>
>
>
>
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