[opendtv] Re: New Thread: What becomes of Legacy Analog Equipment
- From: Craig Birkmaier <craig@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 07:41:29 -0500
At 9:09 PM -0500 11/30/07, Manfredi, Albert E wrote:
DVB-T, as it is **in fact** being used in all of Europe, is to fixed
home receivers. If anything, less than what ATSC can do here (no HDTV
there, and very low power transmitters requiring outdoor antennas more
regularly). The difference here is that we have a much more aggressive
pay-TV industry, and a conflict of interest for broadcasters, caused by
must-carry and retransmission consent.
Transmitter power levels have nothing to do with this. What is
important is the network of transmitters and how that network is
"tuned" for different applications. Europe started their DTV
transition by picking the low hanging fruit, just as they did with
the build out of their analog TV infrastructure. Over time - and when
analog spectrum is recovered - they will build out their DTV networks
to provide better coverage with MUCH HIGHER spectral efficiency that
what we are building in the U.S.
Europe is using the spectrum to provide real competitive TV services.
It is true that the multi-channel systems are not as well entrenched
in Europe, but what is more important is that broadcasters actually
want people to use their service. On the other hand, the spectrum is
just a resource that is controlled by broadcasters in the U.S. in
order to keep it out of play in terms of competition, while they rely
on competitors to deliver their programming and those nice
retransmission consent payments.
This is NOT a conflict of interest situation. It is a carefully
crafted strategy developed by the broadcasters and the politicians
over decades for two main purposes:
1. To create and maintain a promotional/propaganda vehicle for the
politicians to advance their agenda and to maintain control by
incumbents;
2. To help a handful of companies maintain competitive control of an
important global industry that accounts for a huge portion of U.S.
economic exports.
It is worth noting that the second part is also a
promotional/propaganda tool for the U.S. government. It was blue
jeans and American TV that ultimately caused the downfall of the
Soviet empire. It is also important to consider the role of content
produce in America in the current global conflict being fueled by
petro dollars and radical Muslims. There are good reasons why
satellite TV dishes are outlawed in many Mid Eastern countries.
You keep suggesting some sort of difference that does not exist, Craig.
Those countries in Europe that want to offer mobile service are talking
in terms of DVB-H. Their DVB-T transmitters are way too low power, for
one thing, to provide a credible mobile service. Even if it might work
in certain small areas.
As I said, power levels have nothing to do with this. It is the
structure of the network that is important for mobile services; a
distributed network provides better spectral efficiency and more
uniform power levels across the market(s) being served. Yes, some
countries are talking DVB-H, just as we are talking about A-VSB and
other MPH proposals. In the end however, it is unlikely that Europe
will need DVB-H, as DVB-T has all of the tools needed for MPH
services and smart people will figure out how to deal with the
battery issues, just as smart people helped overcome the problems
with multipath with 8-VSB.
I understand your desire to grab the TV spectrum for mobile service. It
would affect European DTT exactly the same as US DTT. They would go to
DVB-H, we could do likewise, or go to one of the new VSB variants.
I have no desire to grab the TV spectrum for mobile service. The TV
spectrum is a WIRELESS service in a world where wireless
communications is becoming a major part of a nation's economic
infrastructure with a huge impact on the way people work and share
information.
It is simply absurd, given the importance of wireless communications,
for broadcasters to waste a huge chunk of prime beach front spectrum
to deliver their content to fixed receivers via competitors wired and
satellite distribution infrastructures. A wireless service by
definition should be able to serve FIXED, PORTABLE, HANDHELD and
MOBILE receivers.
The design of the U.S. DTV system is fundamentally flawed - VBS is
only a small part of the problem. Politics and spectral efficiency
are the real problems.
Do you think that Google, Apple, et al are ONLY interested in
handheld and mobile applications for the 700 MHz spectrum. Not a
chance. They want to create ubiquitous data networks that can be used
by anyone, virtually anywhere, with any kind of transceiver.
Note that i did not say RECEIVER. This is where U.S. broadcasters are
really stuck in the past. They think that they can keep pushing ads
separated by a little content to people who are growing accustomed to
pulling the information and entertainment they want from an
interconnected network of networks.
Keep this in mind as you read my response about " the pending death of radio."
Regards
Craig
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DVB-T, as it is **in fact** being used in all of Europe, is to fixed home receivers. If anything, less than what ATSC can do here (no HDTV there, and very low power transmitters requiring outdoor antennas more regularly). The difference here is that we have a much more aggressive pay-TV industry, and a conflict of interest for broadcasters, caused by must-carry and retransmission consent.
You keep suggesting some sort of difference that does not exist, Craig. Those countries in Europe that want to offer mobile service are talking in terms of DVB-H. Their DVB-T transmitters are way too low power, for one thing, to provide a credible mobile service. Even if it might work in certain small areas.
I understand your desire to grab the TV spectrum for mobile service. It would affect European DTT exactly the same as US DTT. They would go to DVB-H, we could do likewise, or go to one of the new VSB variants.