Actually, the online program guides are a bit worse than the PSIP support by broadcasters. The information in the online program guides is about two weeks out from the tv stations. (The content of network shows is updated much closer to air.) My sentence might be vague, so let me clarify it. TV stations provide their schedule information to the listing services about two weeks in advance. If they make any change in the meantime, the listing service usually doesn't change anything (or, in some cases, care.) So, they may have longer schedules available, but they are not necessarily accurate. PSIP can provide program listings 16 days in advance, and it just doesn't take that many bits to extend listings beyond the first day, since you transmit this data once every minute or so. (Program listings for the current three-hour period have to be transmitted twice per second.) However, the business model of the program listing services is -- frankly -- absurd. The television stations (as opposed to the networks) provide listing information to the listing service (at no cost) and then the listing services sell that data back to the television station for a per channel, per month fee. For a CBS affiliate only showing a single channel in a major market, the $600 per year for THEIR OWN DATA seems high. My first customer has seven channels (three audio-only) in market #155. TV stations need to sell their data to the listing services. When a program is pre-empted by breaking news, this needs to be in the station's PSIP EPG. It ain't. When a sports event overruns, this should be reflected in the PSIP EPG. It ain't. When a football game is selected by the network within 72 hours of airing (due to anti-blackout laws), it doesn't necessarily reflect in the listing service data, or PSIP. If someone wants to record the entirety of the second football game aired on game day, you have to be there with your finger on the switch (or record plenty of the previous game) because PSIP and listing service data just doesn't deal with events in real-time. I do have solutions for all the above, at the station and network end, including selling your data to the listing services. Broadcasters are getting serious about signaling and announcement. John Willkie www.EtherGuideSystems.com www.OurEPG.com -----Mensaje original----- De: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] En nombre de Craig Birkmaier Enviado el: Saturday, November 24, 2007 5:13 AM Para: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Asunto: [opendtv] Re: New Thread: What becomes of Legacy Analog Equipment At 6:57 PM -0500 11/22/07, Stephen W. Long wrote: >So what is the impact of 100 million (or so) obsolete VCRs after the >transition? It may fill the landfills across the land. I suspect that these dinosaurs will linger in their owners homes for a number of years. Not that they will be used all that much, but the people who own them typically own a significant number of pre-recorded movies, and are likely to hang onto these analog hardware codecs in case they ever want to watch them in the future. > >Are there ATSC VCRs for sale? I have never seen one, but I will start >looking this shopping season. The closest you may find are some old W-VHS recorders. I doubt that we will ever see a new tape based consumer format again. Bert likes optical media, but even he is using a DVD recorder with a hard disk front end for capture. Hard disks are where the action is, with millions and millions being deployed in the STBs offered by the multi-channel system operators. The reason is obvious - cheap random access storage. Wallmart is selling external 500GB drives (in enclosures with a USB 2.0 interface for $144. That's more than 55 hours of HD at 9 GB per hour. What Bert does not acknowledge, perhaps because he is dependent on the broadcasters for PSIP and program guide info, is that the real driver behind the DVR is the program guide, not the ability to record. Bert may be able to look out 24 hours at PSIP data, or rely on a program always being aired on a specific channel at a specific time, to program is DVD-R recorder; but the rest of us multi-channel subscribers get a one week window for potentially hundreds of chanels of content. IMHO, the biggest reason that we are not seeing ATSC DVRs is the poor support for PSIP and program guides by broadcasters, followed closely by the small potential market size for ATSC DVRs. I would note that Media Center PCs get around this by using Internet based program guides to drive the DVR function. And then there is another reality that Bert often conveniently ignores. The cable industry, and to a lesser extent the DBS industry, have very tight control over their STBs. Despite many attempts by the politicians to open up this market, it has not happened. IF and when these industries cooperate with the CE industry to support third party boxes, we may see an increase in the availability of DVRs that support both the multi-channel services and FTA broadcasts. I doubt that we will see ATSC only DVRs any time soon, unless the broadcasters decide that they need a real "platform" and that they can compete with the multi-channel services. It could happen in the form of a Moviebeam type service that uses the broadcast spectrum to update the local DVRs... 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