[opendtv] Re: New Thread: What becomes of Legacy Analog Equipment
- From: "John Shutt" <shuttj@xxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:44:08 -0500
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From: "Stephen W. Long" <longsw@xxxxxxxxxxx>
I am specifically thinking about all of the NTSC VCRs out there. I must
have 10 VCRs around my house and basement, in all different versions and
capabilities, slowly acquired over the years. None of the tuners will
work
post transition.
There has never been an more inaccurate statement. Those tuners will work
exactly as well the day after the transition as they did the day before the
transition. And I would wager that more than 75% of America's VCRs (my gut
says closer to 90%) of them are either A) connected to cable, B) connected
to an STB, or C) connected to no antenna at all and are either gathering
dust or are used for playback only.
The coupon set top box converters will not really work -
no way to have the channel change based on time, as any VCR will do.
Another mistatement. There are VCRs that are forced to be connected to STBs
today. They are connected to cable and DBS STBs, where this problem has
been battled for years. The two ways that are used for mulitple channel
recording are A) the STB will do timed channel switching, or B) the VCR has
an IR 'mouse' to remotely control the STB and change channels.
Timed channel changing was not mentioned as either a required feature nor as
a disqualifying feature for coupon eligible ATSC STBs, so they may be
available in the near future. However, I would imagine that the timed
channel change feature will not be incorporated into the first generation of
Coupon STBs.
The IR 'mouse' channel changing scheme usually requires one to program the
VCR by selecting from a group of preprogrammed codes, so I imagine that
legacy VCRs will not control Coupon STBs. That leaves no channel changing
capability.
However I would imagine that most cable homes where STBs are required for
tiered programming, the reality is also that there are no channel changing
going on there, either. You want to record 60 minutes, you tune the STB to
the appropriate channel ahead of time.
I use
DVRs nowadays, so not really an issue for me, but for my parents - the VCR
is the only way to record a show. They have cable, but only in the living
room - the bedroom TV uses rabbit ears.
Then they do not record programming from Discovery, TLC, the History
Channel, or movies from AMC, TCM, HBO, or Showtime. If indeed they
regularly record from rabbit ears exclusively, that puts them in the 25% who
will have to use a coupon eligible STB, extend the cable drop into their
bedroom, or transition to a newer technology such as an ATSC DVR with hard
drive. The hard drive ATSC DVR is probably the best way to time shift
programming, and far superior to a VCR.
As the transition is in February of 2009, that gives you the perfect gift
giving opportunity for the 2008 Christmas season.
So what is the impact of 100 million (or so) obsolete VCRs after the
transition? It may fill the landfills across the land.
The average consumer VCR has an expected lifetime of what, 5 years? The
only impact I see is lower demand in the replacement VCR market as people
naturally transition to DVRs with DVD burners. Again, I predict that the
vast majority of VCRs post cutoff will function exactly as they did
pre-cutoff: Connect to analog tier cable.
Are there ATSC VCRs for sale? I have never seen one, but I will start
looking this shopping season.
I doubt you will find any. However, why would you want to replace an NTSC
VCR with an ATSC VCR? Have you ever seen the video quality of a 6 hour SLP
VHS tape displayed on a 32" 720p LCD monitor? a DVR with hundreds of hours
of hard drive storage is the way to go for time shifting, and DVDs are the
way to go for movie viewing.
Or do you also lament the inability to go to Blockbuster and rent new
release movies on VHS?
John
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I am specifically thinking about all of the NTSC VCRs out there. I must have 10 VCRs around my house and basement, in all different versions andcapabilities, slowly acquired over the years. None of the tuners will work
post transition.
The coupon set top box converters will not really work - no way to have the channel change based on time, as any VCR will do.
I use DVRs nowadays, so not really an issue for me, but for my parents - the VCR is the only way to record a show. They have cable, but only in the living room - the bedroom TV uses rabbit ears.
So what is the impact of 100 million (or so) obsolete VCRs after the transition? It may fill the landfills across the land.
Are there ATSC VCRs for sale? I have never seen one, but I will start looking this shopping season.
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