FYI: Starting this month, OnSat monthly magazine lists nearly ALL new HD channels on D* and E*. Unfortunately, they STILL don't indicate which PROGRAMS are HD. The weekly/daily guide in the newspaper is useful for more current info, but STILL no HD program indicator. Despite being a cable viewer, I try to use OnSat (D*) because it includes most of the channels. Scrolling through all 200 (or so) channels on the cable HD-DVR takes F-O-R-E-V-E-R..... Clearly there is an unfilled "need" for a much better guide book..... PS for John Wilke : COX-San Diego (North/South) "Limited Basic" lineup includes QVC(ch21/25) and HSN(ch22/27). TWC-San Diego's "Basic" lineup includes SDN(ch12), HSN(ch14) & ACN(ch21). [SDN(ch12) may be missing on ex-Adelphia in North County.] And "Expanded" adds QVC(ch25) & ShopNBC(ch98). holl_ands =================================== Tom Barry <trbarry@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Let me guess. Until recently you still subscribed to the paper edition of TV Guide and even now you use the Internet to PRINT a hard copy of guides from zap2it, TitanTV or some such. Is this because your PC is in another room, or usually turned off? And you would like the guide to be on your TV but you don't want to pay for it monthly. Nor do I. I assume you do not want an always-on broadband connected PC displaying on your TV because it is too much like another darned set top box? Life would probably be much simpler if you just got an extra cheapest lowest-power-on-standby computer and connected it to your TV. Then the free guides would be always available on your TV and that PC could even record and playback the (non-encrypted) programs for you if you wished. - Tom Albert Manfredi wrote: > Craig Birkmaier wrote: > > >>What Bert does not acknowledge, perhaps because he is >>dependent on the broadcasters for PSIP and program guide >>info, is that the real driver behind the DVR is the program >>guide, not the ability to record. > > > Depends who you ask, I suppose. > > Remember how peeved I was when TV Guide went frivolous? It became a mag for > pre-teen and teenage girls some months ago. The reason I was peeved is that > there is no good alternative for those who want to do time-shift recording, > unless they give up and let themselves be subjected to another monthly bill. > Which I find exceedingly obnoxious to do for such a mundane function as > time-shift recording. > > So what I've been doing is using on-line zap2it.com to get my schedule. A > week or so in advance. Print out prime time (mostly) programs. Or I buy the > Sunday paper and use the TV schedule insert. Neither of these is ideal, but > they'll do for me. > > PSIP, as implemented now, is not a good option at all. In principle, it could > be, however. The two problems I see are (a) receivers don't store all > stations' schedules in advance, so it's painfully slow to browse the program > offerings, and (b) stations are amazingly blase about the information they do > provide, and you're lucky if it even shows the next day's schedule. > > Bert > > _________________________________________________________________ > Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista® + Windows Live?. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_102007 > -- Tom Barry trbarry@xxxxxxxxxxx --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how.