[opendtv] Re: My new TV supports QAM

Just because they're encrypted at one point in time doesn't mean that
they're always encrypted.  My reading of the regulations lead me to believe
that watching a channel that should be encrypted isn't unlawful, unless you
have modified a set to defeat the encryption mechanism.

Still wasn't good enough to interest my mother in watching HBO or Showtime
for free.  (She is an analog customer, whose complaint is the cost of
cable.)

John

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De: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] En
nombre de Tom Barry
Enviado el: Sunday, October 21, 2007 5:46 PM
Para: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Asunto: [opendtv] Re: My new TV supports QAM

 > Thanks for sharing you newly informed observation with us, Tom.  You 
spent
 > much effort, IIRC, on previously telling us we were wrong.
 >

Uhh, actually I was on the other side of that argument, being the one 
usually claiming that is where TV is headed for those who mostly watch 
the nets and don't usually pay for premium zillion channel packages. 
But there were many opinions then and I don't remember if you had one or 
who said what when.

More specifically, I'm claiming the Lifeline Cable crowd will still be 
able to watch their Lifeline cable, in HDTV, at Lifeline cable prices 
and that they will choose to do so once that option becomes obvious.

 > Also, I noted some months ago that using a QAM tuner, one
 > can also watch some premium channels, and that was on Cox Cable San 
Diego.
 > Funny you didn't mention that "feature" with Cox Cable Gainesville, a 
much,
 > much smaller system.
 >

Dunno about San Diego but AFAIK here on Cox in Gainesville I cannot 
receive ANY digital premium stations (even SDTV) without paying for 
them, on any of my equipment.  They are all encrypted.

- Tom


John Willkie wrote:
> I believe that was "your" impression, however, the informed -- that is,
> people who have actually tried -- impression was something different, in
> line with your current experience.
> 
> Thanks for sharing you newly informed observation with us, Tom.  You spent
> much effort, IIRC, on previously telling us we were wrong.
> 
> I'd be interested in hearing of these exceptions, as they violate FCC part
> 15 regulations, which could involve very expensive fines against the
> retailer, distributor and importer.
> 
> You see, with laws, it's not the compliance that's news; it's
> non-compliance. Also, I noted some months ago that using a QAM tuner, one
> can also watch some premium channels, and that was on Cox Cable San Diego.
> Funny you didn't mention that "feature" with Cox Cable Gainesville, a
much,
> much smaller system.
> 
> John Willkie
> 
> 
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] En
> nombre de Tom Barry
> Enviado el: Sunday, October 21, 2007 11:04 AM
> Para: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Asunto: [opendtv] Re: My new TV supports QAM
> 
> I believe the last time it was discussed here we left it that the low 
> end digital sets probably did not have unencrypted QAM support.  My post 
> was another data point to that discussion.  But if everyone else 
> remembers differently then please excuse the redundancy.
> 
> Again, I believe sets like my new one with QAM will likely become the 
> standard expectation for "cable ready" and "lifeline cable" going 
> forward but some digital TV's are still likely exceptions this year.
> 
> - Tom
> 
> John Willkie wrote:
> 
>>Tom;
>>
>>Having DTV capability means it can receive 8-VSB and QAM.  You must not
> 
> have
> 
>>been paying attention hereabouts the several times this has been
> 
> discussed.
> 
>>It's actually in the rules.
>>
>>Think: cable plug and play.  How could you expect that to work if the tv
>>sets didn't receive QAM?
>>
>>John Willkie
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
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