[opendtv] Re: Mobile TV: $2 Billion in Ad Buys
- From: Craig Birkmaier <craig@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:17:17 -0400
At 11:58 AM -0400 4/22/08, Manfredi, Albert E wrote:
Give it a rest, Craig. Mandatory integrated receivers are going to exist
also in DVB-T countries, for sure Italy and France, and integrated
receivers have been selling very well even before the mandate cuts in.
So this supposed burden of an integrated receiver is a universal issue.
And yes, it will likely delay adoption of DVB-T2.
Can you provide any links to information about receiver mandates in Europe?
I am not aware of any such mandates. What the marketplace decides is
another issue entirely, and each market is unique in its requirements
and the demand of OTA receivers.
Are you just complaining, or do you know of some new features the NAB is
aching to add to DTT? If the latter, I think they should definitely move
forward. From what I can tell, all you're doing is complaining on
principle.
The NAB has nothing to do with it, other than their endorsement of
the efforts of the Mobile Coalition. And this is only related to the
MPH standard, not changes to the underlying ATSC standard, the basis
for the FCC receiver mandate.
I have no idea what the ATSC is planning in this area other than the
rumors I have heard. And I have no idea how the FCC might react to
any changes in the base standard. My educated guess is that the ATSC
would not seek FCC approval for any changes, nor would they try to
get the FCC to mandate that any enhancements be required in new
receivers. The FCC mandate was designed to facilitate the DTV
transition. As this would be a post-transition change, I suspect that
it would be up to the CE vendors to implement any enhancements.
And ultimately it would be up to broadcasters to use any
enhancements, knowing that the existing population of ATSC receivers
would not be able to use these enhancements. By the time all of this
happens, I expect that the broadcasters will be far more concerned
about having popular content to broadcast, and how they are going to
survive when the content oligopoly pulls the plug on OTA broadcasting.
So, what is DVB-T2? Since you claim to know, please explain.
Requirements:
http://www.dvb.org/technology/dvbt2/a114.cm0831r1.CRs_DVB-T2.pdf
Boilerplate:
http://www.dvb.org/technology/dvbt2/index.xml
Specifics (from Wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVB-T#The_DVB-T2_draft_standard
The DVB-T2 draft standard
From documents published on the Internet by RAI and others, the
following characteristics are expected for the T2 standard:[5]
- Modulation will be standard COFDM in one of the modes QPSK, 16-QAM,
64-QAM, or 256-QAM (but not 128-QAM).
- OFDM modes will be 1k, 2k, 4k, 8k, 16k and 32k. The symbol length
for 32k mode will be about 4 ms.
- Guard intervals will be 1/128, 1/32, 1/16, 19/256, 1/8, 19/128, and
1/4. (For 32k mode, the maximum is 1/8.)
- FEC will be LDPC and BCH (as in DVB-S2), with rates 1/2, 3/5, 2/3,
3/4, 4/5, and 5/6.
- There will be fewer pilots, in 8 different pilot-patterns, and
equalization will be based also on the RAI CD3 system.
- In the 32k mode, a larger part of the standard 8 Mhz channel can be
used, adding about 2% extra capacity.
- DVB-T2 will be specified for 1.7, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 10 MHz channel bandwidth.
- MISO (Multiple-Inputs Single-Output) may be used (Alamouti scheme),
but MIMO will not be used. Diversity receivers can be used (as they
are with DVB-T).
- Bundling of more channels into a SuperMUX (called TFS) is not in
the standard, but may be added later.
An example for a UK MFN DVB-T profile (QAM64, 2k, CR2/3, GI1/32) and
a DVB-T2 equivalent (QAM256, 32k, CR3/5, GI1/128) shows an increase
in bit rate from 24.13 Mbit/s to 35.4 Mbit/s (+46.5%).
Another example is an Italian SFN DVB-T profile (QAM64, 8k, CR2/3,
GI1/4) and a DVB-T2 equivalent (QAM256, 32k, CR3/5, GI1/16): it shows
an increase in bit rate from 19.91 Mbit/s to 33.3 Mbit/s (+67%).
At NAB there was some discussion about using MIMO. This might make
it's way into the standard, but would be used primarily for new
deployments. If a country has a significant user base with single
antennas, as in the U.K. MIMO would not be used.
Regards
Craig
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Give it a rest, Craig. Mandatory integrated receivers are going to exist also in DVB-T countries, for sure Italy and France, and integrated receivers have been selling very well even before the mandate cuts in. So this supposed burden of an integrated receiver is a universal issue. And yes, it will likely delay adoption of DVB-T2.
Are you just complaining, or do you know of some new features the NAB is aching to add to DTT? If the latter, I think they should definitely move forward. From what I can tell, all you're doing is complaining on principle.
So, what is DVB-T2? Since you claim to know, please explain.
- [opendtv] Re: Mobile TV: $2 Billion in Ad Buys
- From: Manfredi, Albert E