[opendtv] Re: MPAA wants to stop DVRs from recording some movies
- From: Cliff Benham <flyback1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:03:14 -0400
David Broberg wrote:
Wow, this discussion has gone off the deep end.
To bring it back consider _the contract_ you make with your local
theater when you go in to see a move, concert or play. When you pay
for that ticket, you agree to follow the rules set by the distributor
(the local theater), which are in turn dictated to them by the studios
or rights owners. These rules typically include an outright
prohibition on recording devices in the theater. These rules are often
enforced by private security guards or even local police. The terms
associated with you seeing that performance, include a limitation on
your ability to record or copy it in any way -- even what might be
defensible under fair-use doctrine. If you don't want to abide by
those rules, you don't by the ticket and don't go in -- it is a
voluntary contract.
What MPAA seems to be proposing is exactly the same as what you
already have, but with an electronic distribution direct to the home.
You still have the option to enter the contract or not (buy the
ticket). Nobody is trying to force those movies on you, and they are
not coming into your home "free and clear". If you chose to buy the
ticket, you'll have to agree to the same terms as those entering the
theater -- no recording devices.
This is not about taking away recording rights at all. This is about
expanding distribution to a new and more convenient form of service.
Granted that service may not appeal to everyone, but for those it
does, why should the government forbid it?
-David Broberg
Dear Mr. Broburg:
There is a vast difference between putting on evening clothes, going out
to dinner and then to the theater to enjoy the performance
of a play, a film or an opera for which I have purchased tickets,
voluntarily entering into an 'agreement' to observe the 'willing
suspension of disbelief' and enjoying the performance...
AND---
Sitting at home in shorts and a t-shirt enjoying the recording of a play
or an opera or a film I have purchased for my own enjoyment at my
convenience, pausing the show for bathroom, food and drink breaks,
repeating scenes and watching it more than once if I see fit to do so.
The former theatrical experience is completely at the behest of the
producers and I must willingly abide by the conventions applicable to
such performances.
However,
The later is a completely different experience, is completely at MY
behest and convenience since I have paid for the ability to watch or
not, when and if I see fit, as many times as I wish, without further
interference from the seller of the program or recording.
Laying down rules in an attempt to tell me when and how I can watch
something in my own home is an invasion of privacy which I will not abide.
Cliff Benham
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Wow, this discussion has gone off the deep end.To bring it back consider _the contract_ you make with your local theater when you go in to see a move, concert or play. When you pay for that ticket, you agree to follow the rules set by the distributor (the local theater), which are in turn dictated to them by the studios or rights owners. These rules typically include an outright prohibition on recording devices in the theater. These rules are often enforced by private security guards or even local police. The terms associated with you seeing that performance, include a limitation on your ability to record or copy it in any way -- even what might be defensible under fair-use doctrine. If you don't want to abide by those rules, you don't by the ticket and don't go in -- it is a voluntary contract. What MPAA seems to be proposing is exactly the same as what you already have, but with an electronic distribution direct to the home. You still have the option to enter the contract or not (buy the ticket). Nobody is trying to force those movies on you, and they are not coming into your home "free and clear". If you chose to buy the ticket, you'll have to agree to the same terms as those entering the theater -- no recording devices.
This is not about taking away recording rights at all. This is about expanding distribution to a new and more convenient form of service. Granted that service may not appeal to everyone, but for those it does, why should the government forbid it?
-David Broberg
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