I wasn't trying to start a codec war, merely trying to clarify an ambiguous statement and hopefully get some hard data on what Vongo is really doing. H.264 and VC1 are different video codecs. Both set out to tackle a similar problem space, but they are very different in detail and syntax. Neither is a subset or superset of the other. Neither specifies a file format, although there are related standards that do (MPEG-4 parts 12 and 15 for H.264 in an MPEG environment, ASF for VC1 in a WMV environment). Neither specifies a streaming format. Both can be carried in MPEG transport streams, for example. Neither specifies a DRM system. I don't know of any DRM system that is tied to a specific video codec, but I don't claim to be an expert on DRM. Obviously the MS DRM can be applied to WMV9 content, but it is also being used, for example, on H.264 content carried in MPEG transport. This may seem like trifling detail, but it is the difference between working and not working in my business. gary Gary Hughes Video Architect, Advanced Engineering Motorola On Demand Solutions, MA34 80 Central St. Boxborough, MA 01719 Email: ghughes@xxxxxxxxxxxx Office: 978 266 7269 ________________________________ From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Wilson Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 11:08 AM To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [opendtv] Re: I don't mean to be rotten but economics has done it in for US DTV and the schoolboy bullies on this reflector... Hughes Gary-DJWV76 wrote: -----Original Message----- From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Wilson Vongo is also H.264 (Windows VC1 actually) So which is it? They are not the same thing. I didn't mean to debate 264 vs VC1. VC1 is based on the 264 tools as far as my understanding goes....they may have their own video codec swizzle - I dont know. I use 264 to generically describe the video codec and VC1 to mean Microsofts version which is accurate I think. The didnt tell me directly, but I have gleened from investigating that their video is H264 codec and Windows DRM - from their I leaped to VC1. I am interested to understand how 264 and VC1 are different beyond DRM, audio and file format that VC1 specifies. We're seeing a lot of pull for H.264 from the telco/IPTV side. Originally I think the motivator was the ability to send 2 or more entertainment quality SD streams down one xDSL line. Now it has become part of the zeitgeist. Like whats-her-name says on the DirecTV HD ad, "I totally don't know what that means, but I want it". gary Gary Hughes Video Architect, Advanced Engineering Motorola On Demand Solutions, MA34 80 Central St. Boxborough, MA 01719 Email: ghughes@xxxxxxxxxxxx Office: 978 266 7269 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.