Manfredi, Albert E wrote: > Actually, LG does build their good stuff into integrated TV sets, ... I keep hearing that but has it been confirmed? I don't remember. Has anyone dragged one of these non-cold-fusion integrated sets over to Mark's apartment and tried it? If so, what happened? - Tom > William Smith wrote: > > >>IMHO The modulation standard is strangling the business >>model. >> >>LG claims to have the secret to 8-VSB (they should they >>own it) but refuses to make the solution available (except >>to be waved around in Congressional Hearings). > > > Actually, LG does build their good stuff into integrated TV sets, but > only goes that far. So this is only useful to those who, so far, have > been buying relatively expensive and large sets. It's of no use to those > who already have TVs, even good ones. And it doesn't provide those > all-important PVRs and DVDRs, either. So the good stuff is being kept in > the closet. > > But it's real, and that's another one of my peeves. It's not cold > fusion. I see this pretense that it doesn't exist as just another excuse > for broadcasters to go blaming someone else for their own lack of > involvement. > > Furthermore, there are other companies that provide good chipsets: > Micronas, STMicroelectronics, ATI, and Samsung (that last one might not > yet be at full production, who knows?). > > It is up to *broadcasters* and their NAB to inform themselves of these > details, test them out, scream and shout if CE manufacturers aren't > providing the goods, or if they see funny business is going on. Is > someone getting paid off for keeping this stuff off the market? Or is it > just bean counters that see "no demand"? If yes to either of these, then > what makes you think a modulation change would change that? > > >>LG committed to building the magic $50 decoders If Congress >>would set a hard date.. The date has been set .. Where are >>the units? Anyone else who grandstanded like that would be >>held in contempt of Congress. > > > I agree with you there, 100 percent. Where are they? And who should > answer that question? Bureaucrats? In whose interest is it to get that > stuff out there so DTT works well? > > >>Fixed, mobile and portable are the future... fixed only is >>dead.. > > > Fixed exists and is used a lot. Far from "dead." Market saturation does > not translate to "dead." Lack of media hype does not mean "dead." The > media can only hype up what is brand new, and best of all, what they > don't really understand. > > Portable sets, e.g. plug-in type portables, can be supported by good > ATSC receivers as well as any DVB-T receiver. The power draw is an issue > regarless of ATSC or DVB-T. Again, PC lap-top type of solutions > (rechargeable ~2 hour battery) can certainly work in this type of device > for the time being, until power reduction solutions make it to the CMOS > market. > > As of today, in all countries with DTT, handheld TV, or rather the > promise of that market, is going to be fed from specialized streams, > over dedicated frequencies. That can be accomplished here as it can > anywhere. > > As to vehicular mobility, again, that can be pushed here too. It can > work, and more importantly, that's the only single scenario where a good > ATSC solution has to be demoed. > > >>Stations do not want to promote a system that doesn't support >>reliable reception.. The first impression Joe Six Pack has of >>DTV reception will be the one that sticks with him...not the >>one after he fights the antenna for an hour... > > > Absolutely. Which is why it is up to broadcasters, and no one else, to > figure out where the logjam is. Pretending that the logjam is a > modulation standard is a sure recipe for failure, IMO. > > Bert > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > > - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at > FreeLists.org > > - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word > unsubscribe in the subject line. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.