[opendtv] Re: How about a roast of Bert at NAB?

Mark A. Aitken (W) wrote:

> I tested the 5th GEN with Zenith. What I tested worked well, and led to our 
> statements of the same...
> 
> http://www.freelists.org/archives/opendtv/06-2004/msg00113.html
> 
> What's the issue? I am waiting along with the rest of the DTV community for 
> availability...
> 
> Mark

Oops,  I forgot the quote from your press release last June that 
demonstrates why I'm increasingly skeptical, since that time has 
obviously long passed.:

- Tom

<quote>
    When the fifth-generation receiver is introduced by LG Electronics
(http://www.lgusa.com) in digital HDTV receivers later this summer, 
customers will experience the ability to tune multiple digital channels 
on simple indoor antennas without having to change the orientation of 
the antenna.
</quote>

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Willkie" <JohnWillkie@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 12:43 AM
> Subject: [opendtv] Re: How about a roast of Bert at NAB?
> 
> 
> 
>>You OBVIOUSLY don't know Mark Schubin.  The tests led him to believe that
>>8-VSB can work, and he announced it that day.  I'll take his word as
>>"gospel."
>>
>>John Willkie
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Tom Barry" <trbarry@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 8:59 PM
>>Subject: [opendtv] Re: How about a roast of Bert at NAB?
>>
>>
>>
>>>Bob Miller wrote:
>>>
>>>Who does not want good inexpensive stand
>>> > alone 8-VSB receivers on the market and how do they get to anyone who
>>> > might build one and keep it off the market.
>>>
>>>Well, if we really want to get paranoid, maybe the most recent Shubin
>>>apartment tests were rigged, deceptive, or otherwise non-reproducible
>>>somehow. (??) In that case maybe no one yet really knows how to make
>>>good inexpensive stand alone 8-VSB receivers.
>>>
>>>Heck, to some extent that is what happened with the other 4 generations
>>>so maybe it's time to get skeptical again.  ;-)
>>>
>>>- Tom
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>No problem switching to the 8-VSB  mindset. After all we were one of 
>>>>the
>>>>first to test LG's 5th gen receiver and have been trying to buy then
>>>>ever since. So I will use even minimally workable 8-VSB receivers if I
>>>>can get them. That was true in 1999 as it is today. So far no luck.
>>>>
>>>>But at least now I know they are possible which leaves open the 
>>>>question
>>>>of why they are not being produced in quantity as we speak. Something
>>>>happened to turn Hisense around on a dime and LG off making stand alone
>>>>receivers.
>>>>
>>>>Maybe someday someone will write a book explaining all the weirdness
>>>>that goes on in this business. Who does not want good inexpensive stand
>>>>alone 8-VSB receivers on the market and how do they get to anyone who
>>>>might build one and keep it off the market.
>>>>
>>>>On the other hand does anyone know someone that would build such a
>>>>receiver in the face of whatever the pressure is that is being exerted?
>>>>
>>>>I am becoming a conspiratorialist which has been against my nature and
>>>>mother nature IMO for that matter. :'(
>>>>
>>>>Bob Miller
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Kon Wilms wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>You don't get to nominate yourself. Sheesh, the nerve! I heard that the
>>>>>award guarantees you will immediately switch your mindset over to 8VSB
>>>>>and never again rock the boat.
>>>>>
>>>>>Speaking of years - I just realized I've been doing this datacasting
>>>>>boondoggle for over 10 years now - man oh man.
>>>>>
>>>>>BTW If we roast Bert at NAB who gets the apple?
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers
>>>>>Kon
>>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 2005-01-29 at 17:49 -0500, Bob Miller wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>How about a "Maybe he will survive but he has never really been in
>>>>>>broadcasting yet Wanabee" award for the likes of Bob Miller? I feel
>>
>>like
>>
>>>>>>I have been in broadcasting for 15 years at least. I could use an
>>
>>award,
>>
>>>>>>I have space on the wall for a certificate and the guarantees sound
>>>>>>good. What do they guarantee BTW?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Bob Miller
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Larry Bloomfield wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The Order of the Iron Test Pattern is over 25 years old. Once upon a
>>
>>time we
>>
>>>>>>>had 2-3000 members. In those days, you had to be in broadcasting 15
>>
>>years to
>>
>>>>>>>apply. That is no longer necessary. Now, like then, you had to be a
>>
>>survivor
>>
>>>>>>>of the broadcast industry. That can be true of someone after their
>>
>>first
>>
>>>>>>>day. There are no fees, dues, etc. We do sell certificates to hand on
>>
>>your
>>
>>>>>>>wall, which come with 2 guarantees. And we have lapel pins. We do an
>>
>>annual
>>
>>>>>>>awards meeting at NAB every year. One year we gave the Iron Couch
>>
>>Potato
>>
>>>>>>>award to Gene Pooley. Pooley, while working for Zenith many years 
>>>>>>>ago,
>>>>>>>invented the remote control - thereby making possible couch potatoes.
>>
>>It's a
>>
>>>>>>>toung-in-cheek group and we're out to have good clean fun.
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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