Makes no sense? I've also proposed just recording everything of some selected set of channels. And Bob's proposal was only for 2 full streams. At 8.6 GB / hour you could record about 29 hours of 2 full streams on a 500GB drive. And I ordered one of those myself yesterday for $140.93, including shipping.
If you wanted only what Bob proposed you could get your whole week 24/7 for less than $900. Though since 99% of TV is useless to me I prefer to use the online guides and program my computers to only get the things of interest to me, just like I would not try to download the entire Internet. But storage cost is indeed trending towards free. It's just our usage and expectations trend upwards along with that.
- Tom John Willkie wrote:
Record everthing? Next to nothing? Let me see, an ATSC transport stream is 8.7 gb per hout. So, if you have 10 transport streams, recording everything uses up 87 gb of disk space in an hour. Why, that's only 2 terabytes a day for the ota DTV channels I can receive over the air. Then, add in a few hundred cable and satellite channels, and I'm sure it won't be any more than 30 terabytes a day. And, if you are away from home for a day and couldn't watch all that content, you'd only need to double your storage. When one thinks of such large data bases, one generally tends to think of redundancy and RAID arrays. I just shopped for a new 400 gb hard drive, bob. It only costs $139. So, to record a whole week OF EVERTHING would only cost me $24,325. I just can't wait until hard drives are 1/10th current price, and that will only cost $2,432. In other words, your concept MAKES NO SENSE, bob. Of course, if you were to remove duplicated programming, eliminate commercials, and prioritize based on what you've watched before and your expressed interests, that might fit into a Tivo-like box. But, that wouldn't be recording everything. Here's also something to keep in mind: the target. People only live 8,760 or so hours per year, and about 1/3 of that is taken up by sleeping, and perhaps 1/4 by working. That means 7/12th of the time, people can't watch TV. I suspect that people can't watch 'much more' than 2 tv programs simultaneously. That means there is about 5,110 hours per year that the average person COULD watch TV, without counting driving time, family time, etc. So, your system would store in a day about the number of hours of television programming that a person could watch in a year. This is absurd, Bob. But, the economics will only improve, as disk drives get cheaper. That said, ti will be absurd for many, many years. Might work in an area where there is only one channel. John Willkie P.S. That's the trick! Store everything to HD-DVR or Blue-Ray! It would only take about a dozen or more drives continually recording, and those disks are so cheap!----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Miller" <robmxa@xxxxxxxxx>To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 8:47 AM Subject: [opendtv] Re: Highfield unveils vision for Freeview's futureWe were promoting this idea in 2000. Record everything in fact. The premise was that storage devices would cost close to zero by now. The viewer would chose what they did not want to see recorded. Our "Hockey Puck" receiver was designed to record all new content being broadcast from 12 virtual channels delivered over two 6 MHz channels. Bob Miller On 4/19/07, Manfredi, Albert E <albert.e.manfredi@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:This vision of Freeview future includes a PVR/Internet TV hybrid STB, for catch-up video on demand. Should be readily doable. Bert ----------------------------------------------------------- http://www.dtg.org.uk/news/news.php?class=countries&subclass=0&id=2376 Highfield unveils vision for Freeview's future BBC future media and technology director Ashley Highfield says it is "critical that Freeview evolves as a compelling and competitive alternative to cable and satellite". That means free-to-air channels in high definition-now the subject of a heated debate between public services broadcasters and regulator Ofcom over future use of liberated spectrum. But Highfield told a conference in Cannes that Freeview also needed to offer on-demand content, "both a catch-up service, and access to back-catalogue and archive programming". In a wide-ranging speech Highfield also disclosed that the BBC was working on an Apple Mac-compatible version of its web-based iPlayer seven-day catch-up TV service, as well as launching a pilot opening up the BBC's vast archive to web users. "Getting our BBC iPlayer seven-day catch-up TV service and our archive pilot out on to the web is one thing, but clearly the biggest available audience is sat in front of the television. Like many others, we've been busy building a bridge between our on-demand content aspirations and our audiences' lounge-bound televisions," said Highfield. "As Britain enters the endgame of analogue switchover, we have a four-year-long opportunity to achieve a step-change in the services which we deliver on Freeview, and to evolve and future-proof Freeview with additional advanced interactive and digital functionality. "We've just completed a technical trial to test some of the technologies around, pushing 50 hours of BBC programming per week automatically to digital video recorders on Freeview. "It's a simple catch-up service that could become the entry-point for audiences to on-demand for the first time. Its advantage over a PVR is that you don't have to remember to record your favourite BBC programmes, and that at any one moment, in addition to all the linear channels, there is always a freshly-prepared up-to-date carousel of 50 hours of on-demand programmes." Highfield said while 'push-VOD' had its attractions it would not allow "any viewer to access any BBC programme ever broadcast via their television". That required an internet connection and new hybrid set-top box, combining broadcast TV with the internet. "Hybrid boxes are a part of the future, as important-if not more so-than standard PVRs," said Highfield. "In a hybrid environment you can really start to mix and match, using the best of both worlds linear scheduled TV via digital broadcast for new programming on the one hand, and deep archive via IP on the other. Their worlds may be converging, but they're not in competition. The BBC will deliver content and applications via broadcast and IP, merging them into a seamless audience experience." 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