Dan Grimes wrote: > What is the reason for only getting one 600 Kb/s and one > 300Kb/s channel out of 4.5 Mb/s? Are the rest of the bits > required for overhead or did they just not fill all the M/H > channels possible in the 4.5 Mb/s subchannel bandwidth? Without knowing the specific details of the MPH standard, the general answer is that the 4.5 Mb/s figure represents a capacity that was available when the data bits coded using 2/3 convolutional FEC. However in the M/H stream, to attain the greater robustness, MPH (and E-VSB and A-VSB) layer an additional convolutional code ON TOP OF the 2/3 trellis code. Which makes these streams more robust and compatible with the rest of the 8T-VSB multiplex. Or put another way, had the entire 4.5 Mb/s been available for the M/H stream, then where would the extra robustness have come from? Even if you only added some extra training or synchronization overhead, which typically requires a lot less overhead that convolutional FEC, you'd still expect SOME loss of data carrying capacity in the more robust subchannel. You can make a direct comparison of the effectiveness of these schemes vs COFDM HM. Again, you need to consider both the capacity and the C/N threshold of the different channels. So, in COFDM HM, the robust stream along with the wider 64-QAM results in a loss of capacity of the 64-QAM subchannel *IF* you want that 64-QAM subchannel to remain as robust as before you had switched on the HM. (As happens with the remaining 8T-VSB capacity when you use any of the M/H schemes.) Using numbers from 8 MHz channel tables, a typical 64-QAM multiplex in Europe uses 2/3 convolutional FEC, and has 24 Mb/s capacity (which means a small GI of 1/32). The resulting robustness is 16.5 dB of C/N threshold, in a gaussian channel. Now turn on HM. To retain 16.5 dB of C/N, that 64-QAM capacity drops to 12.06 Mb/s, still with the same 1/32 GI. Where did the 12 Mb/s of lost capacity go? It went into creating the more robust HM channel, which in turn has its own robustness and bit rate tradeoffs. Bert ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.