To end the 'long enuf' confusion, and without getting down to the 'nits' regards (slight, electable) variables inside of the robust modes and variables related to the "embedded" training, the rounded off numbers for total efficiency (which is almost flat across the amount of bits used) for modes are:
18% for 1/4 rate turbo 36% for 1/2 rate turbo Does that help...? Mark the one who should know... On 8/7/2008 12:08 PM, Bob Miller wrote:
That is what I would like to know. How far was I off last year when in technical ignorance but from a good source I put out numbers on what one 8-VSB mobile modulation would cost in bits. What are the numbers? What is the overhead and what is the % of bits that are real at what robustness levels? Anybody care to compare to DVB-T or H or CDMB-T or is it a big secret because it is so bad. Bob Miller On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 11:24 AM, <dan.grimes@xxxxxxxx> wrote:----------------------------------------------------------------------What is the reason for only getting one 600 Kb/s and one 300Kb/s channel out of 4.5 Mb/s? Are the rest of the bits required for overhead or did they just not fill all the M/H channels possible in the 4.5 Mb/s subchannel bandwidth? Dan Tom Barry <trbarry@xxxxxxxxxxx> Sent by: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 08/06/2008 08:41 PM Please respond to opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To opendtv <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> cc Subject [opendtv] From Broadcast Engineering - WRAL tests mobile DTV Supposedly from Broadcast Engineering though I copied it from AVS <http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1056025>. I'm not sure I understand it correctly but it looks like they got a total of 900 kbps (2 channels, 300+600) after error correction overhead from using a total of 4.5 mbps of the channel bandwidth. - Tom --------------------------------------------------- From Broadcast Engineering - WRAL tests mobile DTV Broadcast Engineering Mobile TV Update WRAL tests mobile DTV Users in Raleigh-Durham reported reliable signal reception in most parts of the station's existing coverage area. WRAL-DT, the CBS affiliate in Raleigh-Durham, NC, owned by Capitol Broadcasting Company (CBC), conducted a series of mobile DTV tests last week using the Mobile-Pedestrian-Handheld (MPH) system promoted by Harris Broadcast and others. Hosted by CBC's New Media Group, the tests featured seven handsets given to station executives living in different parts of the state. Users reported reliable signal reception in most parts of the station's existing coverage area. To kick off the July 21-25 trial, the station hosted a reception last Tuesday in which about 50 participants were driven in a bus around the area with prototype LG Electronics mobile handsets that featured MPH-compatible reception chips inside. Signal reception of two channels (half rate at 600kb/s and one-quarter rate at 300kb/s) using about 4.5Mb/s (including turbo coding) of the station's 19.4Mb/s on-air DTV stream was reportedly strong everywhere they went during the 10-minute ride — even at 70 miles per hour. The goal of the service, according to John Harris, WRAL's director of programming, is to extend the reach of the station's television channel, and make it available everywhere our viewers are. The initial plan is to simulcast the on-air DTV signal. WRAL-TV broadcasts CBS network and its own local programming in the 1080i HDTV format as well as in SD digital. "We're excited about the possibilities," John Harris, WRAL's director of programming, told Broadcast Engineering. "The priority is to offer WRAL's TV signal in another way, in another place. I took one [handset] east of the station and I just kept driving until the signal dropped out. I got pretty far before that happened, so I can see the potential of this service." LG Electronics, Zenith Electronics and Harris, all proponents of the MPH scheme, helped out with the field trials. WRAL-DT uses a Harris Sigma CVD UHF transmitter, with an MPH module, for the weeklong test. In a statement, James F. Goodmon, CEO of CBC, said "mobile DTV broadcasting enables WRAL to better serve our viewers, communities, and advertisers by providing a strong combination of anywhere access, two-way communication, and mobility." In 1996, Harris worked with WRAL-DT as one of the first DTV stations in the country. Two years later, when John Glenn made his historic return to space, Harris worked with WRAL to conduct the first live HDTV broadcast of a space shuttle launch to audiences nationwide. Now, the station is the first to promote mobile DTV service in the state of North Carolina. WRAL predicts that more than 200 million portable devices will be sold in 2008, although few if any will have the necessary MPH reception chips inside. WRAL-TV and Capitol Broadcasting Company are part of the Open Mobile Video Coalition (www.openmobilevideo.com), a nationwide group of broadcasters driving the deployment of mobile digital broadcast television. Commercial deployments are forecast for 2009. The group hopes to have an established standard available to broadcasters by the February 2009 analog shutoff date. -- Tom Barry trbarry@xxxxxxxxxxx ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways:- Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org- By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.
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