I agree, the PVR and TV are peers, just like the DVD/Blueray player. But, if the conditional access and P/DVR functions were built into the TV, I'm there. Tivo and Arris's Moxi box works with cable provider's conditional access platforms. Tivo does 8VSB and QAM demoding, all thou I don't think Moxi does 8vsb. Currently, the STB is a requirement of any MVPD. It's the only way they can insure secure delivery of content to those that pay for it. Congress screwed-up when demanding across-the-board separable security. This was the reason for the dreaded ADAPTER! But what other way would consumers be able to use there new purchase across providers? It has added extra cost to every MVPD which will be relayed to the consumer. Instead they should have just required the ability for consumer to be able to purchase any brand of STB and be able to use it with any cable provider. This requirement really falls on the CE manufactures for the equipment and the cable provider to be able to authorize it. Who cares if the box the cable company provides has separable security? I don't as long as it gives me video! But argument you present for the cablecard TV failure is that the consumer must pay a lot of money AND that the cable company makes consumer owned device's difficult to install by owners. I think that is misleading. The cost of the cablecard device is like any other CE gear, expensive at first and then when volume increases, cost goes down. Besides, I hung out at BestBuy and Sears back when the cablecard TV's came out, not one sales guy or customer talked about the 'difficulty of install' during the sales pitch. In fact many of the sales weasels never even talked about the down side of the 1st gen (one-way) cards (no VOD or IPPV). Boil it down. No one wanted to give up the box. Out in Chicago, Comcast is running trials of the Panasonic Tru-2way TV's. These are the STB in the TV minus the DVR. It takes the cablecard (m-card) for conditional access. The only real difference with this device and the older cablecard TV is that you get the cable companies on-screen guide with VOD functionality. If deployed in a Cablevision system with the network-DVR service, you get a DVR! Either way, an adapter (cablecard) is the future of conditional access. If I was to buy a STB with DVR functions, Moxi would be it. But I don't need to buy one. FiOS and IPTV providers require that a STB be rented because those services do not have a consumer purchasable device that will work on their networks. Cable does. If those subscribers don't want the box or rent one from them, then they should not subscribe to that provider, end of story. -----Original Message----- From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Manfredi, Albert E Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 6:17 PM To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [opendtv] Re: FCC on next gen CableCard colejd wrote: > So, who does not want a STB? Not as many people as you might > think. Right now the PVR/DVR is the must have device for the > majority of TV viewers. I get this response even from Craig, and it misses the point. To me, a PVR and a TV set are peers. If I want to buy a TV set or a PVR of my own choosing, I should be able to connect them to an antenna or to a cable system, or for that matter to DBS too, without having to introduce cumbersome adapters in the loop. Either that, or let's develop a WiFi-like interface, so we can connect the single cable or DBS adapter box somewhere in the house, and then have all of our TV appliances conveniently and compatibly interface with it wirelessly. Wireless, or simple RG-6 splitter with coax, take your pick. I'm not looking for a TV with built-in PVR and DVD player, for instance. Instead, buy my own equipment and connect it to whatever service, and have it work. Just as I do with my OTA antenna. The fact that "all" subscribers to DBS, FiOS, or IPTV MVPDs are having to add in the STB in front of their TV set, and are having to rent PVRs from the service provider, does not translate to "that's the way they want it." But, if they don't bitch about this loudly TO those providers, then they are willingly being herded around like sheep. Bert ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.