[opendtv] Re: Democrats Air Concerns About Analog Switchover
- From: "Bob Miller" <robmxa@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 01:54:17 -0500
On 11/19/06, John Willkie <johnwillkie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
You said that you did tests only 22 miles from Manhattan, and only in 1999,
before you knew Mark Schubin. I said that wasn't true, that you had done
tests in Manhattan in 2001 or 2002. You now concede that you did tests in
Manhattan in 2002, and I presume that you knew Mark Schubin then.
Well if somehow I said that I know not when. Why is even a bigger
mystery since I talked about the later test for a long time on this
forum. Why would I now lie about it?
I also said that you said on this list that you tried COFDM reception on the
street in front of Mark's apartment. I inferred that you didn't try
reception in his apartment because the reception in the street was sub par.
In the 1999 test we only drove by his apartment by chance I believe.
Like I say I don't think I had met him and didn't know where he lived.
We were doing an early morning test and only had an hour each day we
did it.
Funnily enough (I don't know what floor the Famous Schubin site is on),
reception a few floors or more above the street might be better than at
ground level.
May be.
But, you lacked the cojones to try COFDM. Unlike the people who have
trooped through his apartment trying to improve ATSC.
I have been to his apartment numerous times to test ATSC. With LG
engineers, other engineers, friends and by myself. There was no reason
to try COFDM in his apartment in 2001-2 since we did not get any
signal strength blocks away in all directions even on the street. We
did not have a signal anywhere near his apartment. He is near Central
Park. I think we got a signal as far North as 74 St. on 10th AVE.
Our transmitter was too low powered and to low in altitude to get a
signal into the clutter that is the upper West Side. We came close to
putting a transmitter on a 35 story East Side apartment building which
would have covered his apartment but it didn't happen. If we had put
up that transmitter his apartment is the first place I would have
gone.
Bob Miller
John Willkie
P.S. This was, to the best of the my knowledge, the second COFDM tx attempt
in NYC that assiduously avoided the Schubin site. I have no reason to
believe that you were involved in the earlier test.
I know of no other COFDM test in New York other than ones we were
involved in. 1999, 2002 and we were involved with the test that the
DoD, Sinclair and others did in November of 2001 from Brooklyn. That
didn't work past Midtown either. In fact an adjacent channel blew us
off the air as we approached Midtown. I don't think we got much above
Canal St. In fact I remeber Canal St. as sort of the Northern boundary
of the signal. Did work on the FDR up to maybe 27th St.
You want to be on top of Midtown, Empire State Building, or
broadcasting into it from all sides.
Bob Miller
-----Original Message-----
From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Bob Miller
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 9:14 PM
To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [opendtv] Re: Democrats Air Concerns About Analog Switchover
I give up. I have no idea anymore what you are talking about. Have no
idea what it is I am supposed to have lied about.
Maybe I said something that you misinterpreted, maybe I said something
that was not correctly put. But I was/am not knowingly lieing about
anything and don't even know what it was, could be or why I would be
doing it.
We drove around Mark's neighborhood by chance in 1999. It was always
very early in the morning. I didn't have his address or phone number.
It would probably not have worked in his apartment due to low signal
strength though I might of hoped I would be lucky. I did get a signal
in a friends apartment on West 57th St. His apartment was on the 22 nd
floor I think and I planned on taking the antenna onto his balcony to
try to get the signal at a right angle but was able to receive it deep
in his apartment with the antenna pointing away from the balcony. That
was in 1999 or early 2000 and from 22 miles out on Long Island.
COFDM is great and I am eager to find out if TDS-OFDM is better with DMB-TH.
Bob Miller
On 11/19/06, John Willkie <johnwillkie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I accept your apology.
>
> YOU DID TEST IN MANHATTAN after 1999, despite your attempts to equivocate.
> Hell, you did equivocate.
>
> And, with all these "feats" you lacked the cojones to test at the Schubin
> site when you had the chance: not from 22 miles away.
>
> Bob, I have a pretty good memory. I remember lies even better.
>
> John Willkie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
> Behalf Of Bob Miller
> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 11:53 AM
> To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [opendtv] Re: Democrats Air Concerns About Analog Switchover
>
> We tested from Long Island in 1999. We tested from Manhattan in 2002.
> Both times we had low signal strength on the west side of Manhattan
> north of Midtown. The only time we had access to altitude was in
> Toronto from the CN Tower and COFDM worked at 30 miles north of the
> city at 70 mph. Worked in Toronto anywhere even the sub basement of
> the hotel. Lots of broadcasters and Canadian Government types
> witnessed that demonstration to no avail.
>
> Even worked while whipping the antenna, a piece of wire in loop form
> attached to the end of coax, over our heads like a lasso.
>
> Have videos of all but the 1999 test.
>
> Bob Miller
>
> Next test may be from the CitiCorp building in Queens at higher power.
> But it will be DMB-TH.
>
> Bob Miller
>
> On 11/18/06, John Willkie <johnwillkie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Am I responsible for the truthfulness of Bob Miller's words?
> >
> > I clearly remember him telling me what I have cited. He is now
> obfuscating.
> >
> > I don't know of his test sites, but I do know he has claimed (even
offered
> > clips) of his tests in NYC. ISTR that he was using NYC test tx and
> > reception sites.
> >
> > I should know better than to ever believe his words.
> >
> > John Willkie
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On
> > Behalf Of Mark Schubin
> > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 7:00 AM
> > To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [opendtv] Re: Democrats Air Concerns About Analog Switchover
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > >From: John Willkie <johnwillkie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >
> > >I never said from where the signals emanated, only that the proponents
> had
> > >the opportunity to test at your apartment, but they didn't take it.
> >
> > "the opportunity to test at [my] apartment" requires a transmitter
> location
> > somewhere in my vicinity -- or at
> > least high enough that there would be some opportunity for the signals
to
> > get to my apartment. I am not aware
> > of any DTT COFDM transmissions that have been from either.
> >
> > TTFN,
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
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