[opendtv] Re: Demand for free DTV rising in Australia
- From: "johnwillkie" <johnwillkie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:35:16 -0700
Add all those users together, and they're still a small fraction of the
"compression" on the internet, since Windows Media is the king there, and
they aren't listed.
"We're the top video codec in satellite radio."
John Willkie
-----Mensaje original-----
De: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] En
nombre de Tom Barry
Enviado el: Thursday, June 28, 2007 4:05 AM
Para: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Asunto: [opendtv] Re: Demand for free DTV rising in Australia
I had almost forgotten about the Duck (now On2) and your statement
surprised me. But it may well be true as I guess they are the
underlying technology behind Flash and some others now.
- Tom
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Bob Miller wrote:
> Should add that was for the Duck Corporation's compression technology
> from 1997 before MPEG4. I think it is the most widely used on the
> Internet now.
>
> Bob Miller
>
> On 6/27/07, Bob Miller <robmxa@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> If addressed to me I am not beating any dead horse foreign or
>> otherwise. Take a look back at my post you will see that I was never
>> in favor of DVB-H. Like DVB-T and DMB-T/H.
>>
>> We looked at DVB-H and concluded that it was a kludge meant to address
>> the power problem of cell phones. Thought that the battery, chip
>> makers etc. should solve that problem. Didn't like the idea of mini
>> movies and didn't see a business in partnering with cellular
>> companies.
>>
>> Do believe in ubiquitous reception of DTV portable, fixed and mobile.
>> Think there is lots of content out there and more to come. Don't think
>> broadcasters have any kind of lock on it. Think a majority of the
>> current crop of OTA broadcasters will sell in the next few years.
>>
>> Have been for DVB-T, DMB-T/H, MPEG4. Against MPEG2 (not transport),
>> interlace and 8-VSB.
>>
>> My horses don't need beating, they are doing all right.
>>
>> Bob Miller
>>
>> On 6/27/07, johnwillkie <johnwillkie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > YOU are so far removed from reality, it's startling.
>> >
>> > I have a friend who sells professional digital plants around the world.
>> > He's a 'nominal' ATSC member, but he sells in all markets, with the
>> possible
>> > exception of Japan, and buys from all countries, with the possible
>> exception
>> > of China.
>> >
>> > Several years ago, I mentioned on this list that DVB-M/H test and
>> > transmission gear was a hot commodity, due to a conversation he and
>> I had
>> > had.
>> >
>> > That's not the case now. We were talking the other day about the
>> ATSC mobile
>> > proposals. He mentioned that the timing might be about right, since
>> > "DVB-M/H is dead."
>> >
>> > "What about all the trials: Paris, UK?" He also mentioned the Italian
>> > trials. "All the trials are over," he said, and "nobody is buying any
>> > gear." There is no action, no inquiries, nothing.
>> >
>> > By the way, he wasn't speaking of just his own sales and inquiries.
>> >
>> > So, bob, you've now gone from beating a "foreign" horse to beating a
>> dead
>> > foreign horse.
>> >
>> > There were telos interested in m-h. Bow, all they need is interested
>> > customers, and a way to 'make money' when they don't own the content
>> and
>> > have to "buy it at retail" and "sell at wholesale."
>> >
>> > Broadcasters, of course, have the 'content.' Not to mention largely
>> owning
>> > the position "we don't charge viewers anything."
>> >
>> > John Willkie, who can't wait to see (and probably oppose) the Qualcomm
>> > proposal.
>> >
>> > -----Mensaje original-----
>> > De: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] En
>> > nombre de Bob Miller
>> > Enviado el: Friday, June 22, 2007 9:27 PM
>> > Para: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Asunto: [opendtv] Re: Demand for free DTV rising in Australia
>> >
>> > So far, ignoring 8-VSB for the most part, they are making the right
>> > decision whether informed or not.
>> >
>> > The fact is they are informed and if a decent modulation was allowed
>> > in the US tomorrow they would all be very active participants in its
>> > rapid and wildly successful success. Just like in most other
>> > countries.
>> >
>> > Bob Miller
>> >
>> > On 6/21/07, Manfredi, Albert E <albert.e.manfredi@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > > Dale Kelly wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >> New Zealand too, they have or want to install a DBS-based
>> > > >> Freeview system too. Because in those countries, they DO NOT
>> > > >> expect 100 percent coverage with COFDM.
>> > > >
>> > > > That's argument is a bit of a reach.
>> > > > New Zealand is very mountainous and has a significant rural
>> > > > population that simply can't be economically covered by OTA
>> > > > service. This indeed has nothing to do with modulation but
>> > > > I would wager that, watt for watt, they will achieve more
>> > > > reliable OTA service using COFDM.
>> > >
>> > > ATSC is the only game in town in the US, for free TV to all the wide
>> > > open spaces and mountainous regions. So if someone argues that
>> Freeview
>> > > is not being forced on the cable companies, surely the fact that
>> FOTA TV
>> > > here is not being forced on DBS must figure in there somewhere?
>> > >
>> > > In any event, corporate heavies are guided by what they are told at
>> > > meetings. As long as there is this peristent pessimism concerning
>> ATSC,
>> > > festering there without being proven or disproven, it does nothing
>> more
>> > > than cause paralysis among their ranks. Add to this the sometimes
>> > > outrageous claims made about the competition, claims that defy the
>> laws
>> > > of physics, and all I can think is let's have another set of
>> comparison
>> > > tests. I don't see this persistent gloom disappearing anytime soon,
>> > > without such tests.
>> > >
>> > > Poorly informed people make wrong decisions. It's that simple.
>> > >
>> > > Bert
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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