I had almost forgotten about the Duck (now On2) and your statement surprised me. But it may well be true as I guess they are the underlying technology behind Flash and some others now.
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Should add that was for the Duck Corporation's compression technology from 1997 before MPEG4. I think it is the most widely used on the Internet now. Bob Miller On 6/27/07, Bob Miller <robmxa@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:If addressed to me I am not beating any dead horse foreign or otherwise. Take a look back at my post you will see that I was never in favor of DVB-H. Like DVB-T and DMB-T/H. We looked at DVB-H and concluded that it was a kludge meant to address the power problem of cell phones. Thought that the battery, chip makers etc. should solve that problem. Didn't like the idea of mini movies and didn't see a business in partnering with cellular companies. Do believe in ubiquitous reception of DTV portable, fixed and mobile. Think there is lots of content out there and more to come. Don't think broadcasters have any kind of lock on it. Think a majority of the current crop of OTA broadcasters will sell in the next few years. Have been for DVB-T, DMB-T/H, MPEG4. Against MPEG2 (not transport), interlace and 8-VSB. My horses don't need beating, they are doing all right. Bob Miller On 6/27/07, johnwillkie <johnwillkie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > YOU are so far removed from reality, it's startling. > > I have a friend who sells professional digital plants around the world.> He's a 'nominal' ATSC member, but he sells in all markets, with the possible > exception of Japan, and buys from all countries, with the possible exception> of China. > > Several years ago, I mentioned on this list that DVB-M/H test and> transmission gear was a hot commodity, due to a conversation he and I had> had. >> That's not the case now. We were talking the other day about the ATSC mobile> proposals. He mentioned that the timing might be about right, since > "DVB-M/H is dead." > > "What about all the trials: Paris, UK?" He also mentioned the Italian > trials. "All the trials are over," he said, and "nobody is buying any > gear." There is no action, no inquiries, nothing. > > By the way, he wasn't speaking of just his own sales and inquiries. >> So, bob, you've now gone from beating a "foreign" horse to beating a dead> foreign horse. > > There were telos interested in m-h. Bow, all they need is interested> customers, and a way to 'make money' when they don't own the content and> have to "buy it at retail" and "sell at wholesale." >> Broadcasters, of course, have the 'content.' Not to mention largely owning> the position "we don't charge viewers anything." > > John Willkie, who can't wait to see (and probably oppose) the Qualcomm > proposal. > > -----Mensaje original-----> De: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] En> nombre de Bob Miller > Enviado el: Friday, June 22, 2007 9:27 PM > Para: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Asunto: [opendtv] Re: Demand for free DTV rising in Australia > > So far, ignoring 8-VSB for the most part, they are making the right > decision whether informed or not. > > The fact is they are informed and if a decent modulation was allowed > in the US tomorrow they would all be very active participants in its > rapid and wildly successful success. Just like in most other > countries. > > Bob Miller > > On 6/21/07, Manfredi, Albert E <albert.e.manfredi@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Dale Kelly wrote: > > > > >> New Zealand too, they have or want to install a DBS-based > > >> Freeview system too. Because in those countries, they DO NOT > > >> expect 100 percent coverage with COFDM. > > > > > > That's argument is a bit of a reach. > > > New Zealand is very mountainous and has a significant rural > > > population that simply can't be economically covered by OTA > > > service. This indeed has nothing to do with modulation but > > > I would wager that, watt for watt, they will achieve more > > > reliable OTA service using COFDM. > > > > ATSC is the only game in town in the US, for free TV to all the wide> > open spaces and mountainous regions. So if someone argues that Freeview > > is not being forced on the cable companies, surely the fact that FOTA TV> > here is not being forced on DBS must figure in there somewhere? > > > > In any event, corporate heavies are guided by what they are told at> > meetings. As long as there is this peristent pessimism concerning ATSC, > > festering there without being proven or disproven, it does nothing more> > than cause paralysis among their ranks. Add to this the sometimes> > outrageous claims made about the competition, claims that defy the laws > > of physics, and all I can think is let's have another set of comparison> > tests. I don't see this persistent gloom disappearing anytime soon, > > without such tests. > > > > Poorly informed people make wrong decisions. 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