Actually, I'm quite familiar with it, but I use it so seldom, and I haven't enjoyed the upgrader, so I've eliminated it from my HKLM/Software/Microsoft/Windows/CurrentVersion/Run key, and I thought it a waste of time to upload and install it to answer the question. I use VLC and WMP quite often, and last time I checked, vlc handles quicktime quite well, without apple's overhead. But, the site wouldn't let me download or stream the file without the latest version of quicktime. Perhaps you see that as a benefit? If it is actually 29.97 frames, then I guess we are seeing the benefits of multiple-pass encoding. Cox hereabouts is at least as good as small systems like yours. AT&T U-verse, by the way, offers 18 mb/sec. I don't complain about my bit rate at home; I haven't been charged for it for almost a year. John Willkie -----Mensaje original----- De: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] En nombre de Craig Birkmaier Enviado el: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 5:31 AM Para: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Asunto: [opendtv] Re: Can't stream HD? At 9:03 PM -0800 12/9/08, John Willkie wrote: >? now you're attempting to challenge by "quoting" things I didn't say? Not challenging you John. Just trying to educate you. > >What, pray tell is the frame rate? I note all sorts of statistics there, but not the frame rate. Is it greater than 12 fps? You are obviously not very familiar with the QuickTime player. After opening a movie, select "Show Movie Inspector" under the "Window" menu. It appears that all sizes of this movie are 29.97 Frames per second. The inspector also tells you the average bit rates. > >And, just to point out again, my bit rate at home is 1.8 mb/seconds. The >bit rate with the circuit I'm now using is 1.2 mb/sec. SLOW. As others have pointed out, it is not uncommon to get 8 mbps or more on cable broadband connections. > >Let me know when you can watch a -- say -- NFL game in HD at home with a frame rate greater than 12 fps. How much do you want to pay? And I'm not talking about the bandwidth...just what the NFL will charge you for the privilege. By the way, CBS Sports streams all of its SEC football games this year for free. Not HD, but a high enough frame rate to enjoy the action. > >John Willkie, who knows all about playing games with frame rates to make >streaming work. And playing games on this list to make it sound like you know what you are talking about. Regards Craig ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.