[opendtv] Re: CMOS sensors and rolling shutters
- From: Mark Schubin <tvmark@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:18:57 -0500
Wobble was actually caused by a disconnect (for the first time) between
the portion of the frame being exposed in a tube camera and the portion
being presented on a picture tube. The moving electron beam in a camera
tube discharged the target at the point of beam contact. Exposure then
began at that point until it was discharged at the next sweep. There
was no line-by-line exposure; it was instantaneous along the scanning
line as well. But, regardless of whether the video was transmitted live
or recorded, the light appeared on a picture tube in the same beam-sweep
order. If a camera panned, the same thing that happened at the target
of the camera tube happened at the faceplate of the picture tube, with
the same positional timing.
When CCDs captured images, they did so all at once (and the first CCD
cameras had mechanical shutters very similar to motion-picture-camera
shutters). But picture tubes continued to start at the upper left and
draw scanning lines. That's what led to the wobble effect, the
discontinuity between the timing at the image sensor and the image display.
CCDs transfer charge in different ways. Frame-transfer chips transfer
through the photosensitive area, requiring a mechanical shutter to
prevent exposure during transfer. Interline-transfer chips have
theoretically non-photosensitive areas between scanning lines,
eliminating the need for a mechanical shutter. But excessive exposure
can stress them, which is where the vertical smear described comes from
(though later designs have essentially eliminated it).
TTFN,
Mark
John Shutt wrote:
According to the article that Dave posted, CMOS devices don't have a
physical shutter, either. The way the image is clocked out of the
device line by line while letting subsequent lines continue to gather
light information is referred to as a "rolling shutter" and is the
cause of wobble.
A quote:
"A ROLLING SHUTTER is very different. The rolling shutter actually
exposes different portions of the frame at different points in time,
"rolling" through the frame. Again, it's not an actual physical moving
shutter that's doing this (as opposed to a movie camera, which
actually has a moving physical shutter). Instead, the sensor is
telling different portions to become light-sensitive at different
moments in time, and as this process proceeds down the course of the
full frame, until the entire frame is exposed."
This to me sounds exactly the same as how a tube camera's electron
beam scans the target and produces a signal. Hence Dave's question.
John
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Schubin" <tvmark@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 6:03 PM
Subject: [opendtv] Re: CMOS sensors and rolling shutters
Tube cameras did not use shutters.
Some CCD cameras did (and do). And skew and wobble may be seen on
CCD cameras, too.
TTFN,
Mark
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A quote:"A ROLLING SHUTTER is very different. The rolling shutter actually exposes different portions of the frame at different points in time, "rolling" through the frame. Again, it's not an actual physical moving shutter that's doing this (as opposed to a movie camera, which actually has a moving physical shutter). Instead, the sensor is telling different portions to become light-sensitive at different moments in time, and as this process proceeds down the course of the full frame, until the entire frame is exposed."
This to me sounds exactly the same as how a tube camera's electron beam scans the target and produces a signal. Hence Dave's question.
John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Schubin" <tvmark@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 6:03 PM Subject: [opendtv] Re: CMOS sensors and rolling shutters
Tube cameras did not use shutters.Some CCD cameras did (and do). And skew and wobble may be seen on CCD cameras, too.TTFN, Mark
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