Bert wrote: And by the way, in your absence, you propably missed the announcement > that your $200 built-in tuner estimate, by 2007, will be *way* out > of line. Try sub-$100 prices for stand-alone STBs. Motorola claims > $67 for the stand-alone STB, which to me says no more that $30-$35 > for the integrated tuner, as price to the consumer. I asked Frank, in two different posts, whether he believes that Motorola can deliver Generation 5 performance in the $67 product. I believe the answer to that question may be in the fact that it wasn't answerd. However, since that box will not have HD capability nor include component/DVI outputs, it could certainly be sold for less than $200. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Manfredi, Albert E" <albert.e.manfredi@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 7:03 AM Subject: [opendtv] Re: Barriers eroding to LCD TV adoption > Craig Birkmaier wrote: > > > The real argument I am trying to make is that it is WRONG to force > > people to buy receivers they do not need, when they have multiple > > options for TV service. Even if the cost of an integrated receiver > > with all of the other required crap drops to $200, that's still a big > > price to pay for something you don't want or need. The consumer > > should be allowed to choose the tuner(s) they need for the services > > they want. This does not preclude good integration. With IEEE-1394 > > and DVI you can provide a seamless user interface to MULTIPLE tuners > > and components (DVD, PVR, D-VHS etc). Products can be built that > > allow plug-in integration, or you can just use external boxes for the > > components (a simple tuner can even get power from 1394, so that you > > don't need a separate power supply). > > Nothing you describe can come close to the cheap prices of the > integrated NTSC tuner system you used to make this argument. Note that > the PVR, D-VHS, etc. etc. will have to incorporate some sort of tuner > to be useful. > > And by the way, in your absence, you propably missed the announcement > that your $200 built-in tuner estimate, by 2007, will be *way* out > of line. Try sub-$100 prices for stand-alone STBs. Motorola claims > $67 for the stand-alone STB, which to me says no more that $30-$35 > for the integrated tuner, as price to the consumer. > > > You can still include the NTSC tuner, since it provides support for > > analog cable and OTA until the analog transmitters are turned off. It > > would be a good idea to add IEEE-1394 and DVI to new monitors; this > > would cost FAR LESS than requiring: > > > > 1. An ATSC tuner > > 2. A one-way cable ready tuner (QAM) > > 3. IEEE-1394 with DTCP > > 4. DVI with HDCP > > 5. all of the decoders needed to support ATSC and digital cable > > 6. A POD module for the requisite cable card > > You keep missing that all of those components will be required > somewhere in the system. The ATSC tuner, or a similar satellite or > digital cable tuner, will have to occur *somewhere*. So it's not an > either/or situation. It's merely deciding where they have to be. > > > > If I came up with examples of cheap and viable TV sets of today, > > >I would follow that up with discussion on achieving a low price > > >in a set that is viable AFTER the DTV transition. And to achieve > > >that, you have to consider a built-in and combined digital > > >receiver. > > > > Why. NTSC receivers will not stop to function after analog broadcasts > > cease. The larger problem is when analog cable tiers cease. All that > > will be needed is the right box to hook up to those analog receivers. > > If you keep thinking in terms of this separate "right box," you will > never get back to that cheap $129 TV set, or similarly cheap TV > recording appliance. The reason we need to think in terms of the > entire system cost is that we want to be consistent in making > arguments. > > You cannot point to a cheap analog set today and then go off and > describe a system solution for tomorrow that can never hope to get > back to cheap prices. > > > Because of the context of the original thread. You keep complaining > > about the added cost of a STB, with separate box, power supply and > > connectors. I was merely pointing out that I saw a cheap $129 flat > > screen CRT TV with more connectors than are needed on a STB. > > And, by extension, you would then suggest that if you had taken the > NTSC tuner out of that TV set, and sold it in a separate box from > the monitor, the total system price would have been no higher? > > I'm saying that we can get back to the $129 TV set, with digital > front end. But certainly not with your system approach. And yes, > as an interim soultion for folks who already have a TV, of course > the stand-alone STB will be the answer. But when new TV time comes > around, you don't want to perpetuate this interim kludge. > > Bert > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > > - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org > > - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.