[opendtv] Re: As analog shutdown nears, antenna reality emerges

From: "Dale Kelly" <dalekelly@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:26:03 -0700
Thank you Dan, that was indeed my point: the argument is specious
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  Depends on how you define a "red herring."

  See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignoratio_elenchi

  By that definition, perhaps it is the argument itself that is the "red
herring"!

  But certainly within the populations centers (i.e., cities) the common
antenna in use is, in fact, an indoor antenna. One cannot deny that there
will be strong issues with the perception of receptibility based on the
indoor antenna!

  Dan

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  The 30-foot above ground antenna standard is not a "red herring", it's the
  only established and tested method for predicting TV coverage.  It doesn't
  predict success (or failure) with an indoor antenna but there's no
standard
  for predicting coverage to indoor antennas, if only because home
  construction isn't standardized.

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  From: "Dale Kelly" <dalekelly@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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  >I intended to say that I'm not certain of reception in a majority of the
  > locations where they currently receive indoor analog. I believe that Don
  > Moore has it pegged correctly.
  > Bert, you and I are not the typical viewers and I and Don, unlike you,
  > have
  > years of experience dealing with these folks, who will fully expect
their
  > current analog antenna setup to work. Remember, DTV coverage was
intended
  > to
  > replicate that of NTSC and the 30 foot mast argument is a red herring.
  > It was never said that a 30 ft. mast was required to receive analog;
that
  > was simply an FCC reception measurement standard to determine where
folks
  > could semi reliably receive these signals in the mostly grade B areas.
  >
  >> -----Original Message-----
  >> From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  >> [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Dale Kelly
  >> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:34 AM
  >> To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  >> Subject: [opendtv] Re: As analog shutdown nears, antenna reality
emerges
  >>
  >>
  >> Bert wrote:
  >> >but the lucky thing is, DTT works amazingly well with indoor antennas.
  >>
  >> In some locations and I'm not certain that it is a majority of
locations.
  >>
  >> > -----Original Message-----
  >> > From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  >> > [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Manfredi, Albert E
  >> > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:01 AM
  >> > To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  >> > Subject: [opendtv] Re: As analog shutdown nears, antenna reality
  >> > emerges
  >> >
  >> >
  >> > Don Moore wrote:
  >> >
  >> > >> I think what will happen in practice is that people
  >> > >> will re-optimize their antenna systems for DTT, in due
  >> > >> course. As I'm set up now, especially downstairs,
  >> > >> virtually all analog TV is unwatchable. DTT is,
  >> > >> conversely, great. Upstairs, still depending on the
  >> > >> 2004 design HD 3150Plus, analog and digital reception
  >> > >> are more similar.
  >> > >
  >> > > Bert do you get out in the public?
  >> >
  >> > Ya, and more than that, I wrote a small piece for our community
  >> > newsletter on this subject, mainly because someone else had written
  >> > that
  >> > they could only receive one DTT channel OTA.
  >> >
  >> > > My experience so far has been that the average customer
  >> > > is NOT going to put up an outdoor antenna to get several
  >> > > HD channels when they can subscribe to cable or satellite
  >> > > and get far more HD content.  Those un-willing to subscribe
  >> > > to cable or satellite will change their lifestyle - going
  >> > > to Internet-delivery of content, subscription DVD's or
  >> > > just watch what they already have.
  >> >
  >> > That's why I like to bring in some perspective, with what other
  >> > countries are doing. What you say *may* be true, I don't know, but
the
  >> > lucky thing is, DTT works amazingly well with indoor antennas.
  >> >
  >> > And by the way, it turns out that Circuit City, at least, will
install
  >> > outdoor antennas for OTA. So it makes no sense at all to me that
  >> > someone
  >> > would be completely opposed to having that done, but completely
willing
  >> > to have a DBS antenna installed, and then have the monthly fees to
deal
  >> > with.
  >> >
  >> > There are people out there who don't watch all that much TV, but at
the
  >> > same time, want high quality TV for what they do watch. Me, for
  >> > instance. Tom might be another example.
  >> >
  >> > > Plus, where are they going to buy these antennas?
  >> >
  >> > If you have it installed professionally, that's their worry.
Otherwise,
  >> > indoor and outdoor antennas can be found at stores like Lowes, and a
  >> > very good selection can be found online. Yes, people have discovered
  >> > that they can shop online these days.
  >> >
  >> > I got my new DB4 antenna online. Sent in the order Sunday evening,
and
  >> > received the antenna Wednesday afternoon, by UPS. And it works great,
  >> > even though installed indoors, ground level.
  >> >
  >> > > Most of the Top-4 affiliates in North Carolina's 3 major
  >> > > markets have already determined their losses for next
  >> > > February.  And that's what they are, viewers that have
  >> > > been technologically eliminated.  The cost of doing business.
  >> >
  >> > If they are anything like the "top 4 affiliates" here in the DC
market,
  >> > I could not have invented a better strategy for ensuring failure than
  >> > what they used, over the past 10 years. I don't know of any product
or
  >> > service that would sell successfully with the type of marketing
  >> > non-campaign we got from the affiliates. If DTT succeeds at all in
the
  >> > US, it will certainly NOT be thanks to anything the affiliates did,
  >> > aside from their engineering crews, of course.
  >> >
  >> > Bert
  >> >
  >> >
  >>
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