Mark; That still doesn't make it "on all fours" with what LG purportedly trying to do with E-VSB, since the tie-in was off-shore. And, we should note that the brief you linked to asserts that the Scheiber case and earlier ones weren't decided with a proper understanding of the facts. Maybe LG is hoping lightning will strike thrice. John Willkie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Schubin" <tvmark@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 5:42 PM Subject: [opendtv] Re: 8VSB Patents running out? > No. The tie-in in Scheiber was BEFORE the patent expired, the theory being that a lower royalty would be justified by a tie-in to a later-expiring patent (in Canada, I seem to recall). > > TTFN, > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Allen Le Roy Limberg <allimberg@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > >Sent: Apr 16, 2007 5:33 PM > >To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >Subject: [opendtv] Re: 8VSB Patents running out? > > > >Scheiber v. Dolby treated the issue after the patent had expired and there > >were no other patents tied to the original. > >LG's licensing offer, if indeed it was as rumored, risks a court finding the > >later patents to be unenforceable. > > > >Al > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Mark Schubin" <tvmark@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 5:21 PM > >Subject: [opendtv] Re: 8VSB Patents running out? > > > > > >> I agree. See Scheiber v. Dolby. > >> http://www.law.duke.edu/journals/dltr/articles/2003dltr0005.html > >> > >> TTFN, > >> Mark > >> > >> > >> > >> Allen Le Roy Limberg wrote: > >> > The scuttlebutt is there is a tying arrangement that taking a license > >under > >> > 8VSB patents & EVSB entails agreement to take EVSB license until end of > >> > their term. In my opinion that is an illegal tying arrangement. > >> > > >> > Al Limberg > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > >> > >> - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at > >FreeLists.org > >> > >> - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word > >unsubscribe in the subject line. > >> > > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > > > >- Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org > > > >- By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > > - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org > > - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.