[opendtv] Re: 7" ATSC TV
- From: "John Willkie" <johnwillkie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 22:18:44 -0700
So, you go out on another limb. Maybe a question will clarify things for
you: what makes you think that the FCC is an executive agency?
Also, I should point out that the administration seems to claim executive
authority in cases and situations (see the Boston Globe series that just won
the Pulitzer prize) where nobody has standing to sue.
That ain't the case here: the receiver manufacturers would resist.
The FCC has type-certified (not type-approved) receivers for most of your
life. Do you see the FCC going on a re-regulatory bender? They've been
dropping regulations for about 38 years.
The FCC has a small staff, and the Columbia branch (where hardware matters
are handled) is VERY small.
Dream on.
John Willkie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Barry" <trbarry@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 8:26 PM
Subject: [opendtv] Re: 7" ATSC TV
> Pretty much the way the executive branch gets all their power these
> days. Declare they already have it, throw it up against the wall, and
> see what sticks.
>
> But in the Zenith/LG case the FCC could politely express concern and ask
> if Zenith would be willing to voluntarily give up that explanation.
> Behind the velvet glove would be the possibility later of testifying
> under oath in front of Congress if satisfactory answers were not
> forthcoming.
>
> And there is no guarantee receivers will continue to be self-certified
> if it becomes suspicious that practice is neither in the public interest
> nor conducive to rapid and profitable spectrum auctions. These things
> can change rapidly if they become a political hot potato.
>
> - Tom
>
>
> John Willkie wrote:
> > How would the FCC get jurisdiction to do that, Tom? Receivers are
> > self-certified by the maker, not type-accepted by the FCC.
> >
> > John Willkie
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tom Barry" <trbarry@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 5:44 PM
> > Subject: [opendtv] Re: 7" ATSC TV
> >
> >
> >
> >>My own opinion is that the FCC should carefully question Zenith/LG on
> >>what exactly was in the 5th gen "black box", and whether Zenith is
> >>willing to share detailed info and duplicate it or whether they indeed
> >>committed some sort of fraud there.
> >>
> >>IMHO there are an awful lot of people (including the other CE guys) that
> >>stand to incur some political embarrassment and possible financial loss
> >>based upon various Zenith/LG claims. I consider them liable.
> >>
> >>- Tom
> >>
> >>Dale Kelly wrote:
> >>
> >>>Frank wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I don't know how you can say with certainty that these
> >>>>Performance issues are entirely related to "poor RF front end design.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>My statement was based upon a tuners "selectivity" performance* in the
> >>>packed channel environment which will now include new unlicensed
signals
> >>>introduced into the so-called "unused white spaces". In such an
> >
> > environment
> >
> >>>better receiver front ends are required to deal with the IM and image
> >>>products produced by "minimal" tuners.
> >>>Clearly, other A/74 related failings could very well be non-tuner
> >
> > related.
> >
> >>>* = Good selectivity performance generally requires some combination of
> >>>multi conversion IF, wide band AGC and tracking filters to achieve
> >
> > desired
> >
> >>>performance.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>In any case, the market will continue to decide how much incremental
> >>>>Receiver performance is worth. My guess is that CE products will
> >>>>Continue to include the very best RF front end + base band chips, as
> >>>>long as those also happen to be the cheapest ones -- because of
> >>>>the perceived value of an ATSC receiver to most consumers is pretty
> >>>>close to $0.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I see this as a somewhat more complex issue than pure economics and
> >
> > don't
> >
> >>>believe that the CE industry should receive a free pass. Please bear
> >
> > with me
> >
> >>>for a short historical review, as I recall it:
> >>>* The ATSC/8VSB system was developed and proposed by the CE community,
> >
> > who
> >
> >>>also control the current ATSC standards process and is responsible for
> >
> > the
> >
> >>>very marginal A/74 RP.
> >>>* 8VSB was "sold" to broadcasters and adopted by the FCC with certain
> >>>receiver performance expectations.
> >>>* The original ATTC (Blue Rack) test receiver incorporated a
> >
> > well-designed
> >
> >>>double conversion tuner that met those expectations.
> >>>* During initial testing, the industry was "blind sided" by the poor
> >>>multi-path performance issue, even though it was predicted by a number
> >
> > of
> >
> >>>engineers.
> >>>* The CE industry, having no where to hide and needing to protect it's
> >
> > IP
> >
> >>>investment and stave off a broadcaster revolt, committed significant
> >>>resources to resolving the multipath problem. After a number of false
> >
> > starts
> >
> >>>laced with questionable performance claims and five years time, they
> >
> > were
> >
> >>>able to demonstrate satisfactory performance using a Zenith 5th gen.
> >
> > "black
> >
> >>>box" receiver, whose performance was never duplicated in any commercial
> >>>product (as tested by the FCC and others).
> >>>
> >>>IMO, that same CE industry, who developed this system and who now
> >
> > proposes
> >
> >>>and will benefit from, the new unlicensed services, while likely not
> >
> > guilty
> >
> >>>of fraud, is, through it's failure to provide receivers capable of
> >>>functioning in the environment they created, disingenuous and
completely
> >>>untrustworthy.
> >>>
> >>>They are, through their manipulations, largely responsible for "the
> >>>perceived value of an ATSC receiver to most consumers being pretty
close
> >
> > to
> >
> >>>$0", which was a self fulfilling prophesy based upon their actions, or
> >
> > lack
> >
> >>>thereof.
> >>>
> >>>Dale
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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