[opendtv] Re: 5th generation Test
- From: Mitch Cardwell <mitchrc@xxxxxxx>
- To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:56:25 -0800
Four channels of BBC, three channels of ITV, a travel home shopping
channel, four news channels, two or three other shopping channels, etc.
Also there are digital versions of Four and Five.
You can view the lineup here: http://freeview.co.uk/whatson/index.html
It doesn't seem to me that something like this would fly in the states
given our high multi-channel penetration across all socio-economic
backgrounds. There simply isn't enough compelling content on the
freeview platform.
Oh...and there's no HDTV.
On Mar 17, 2005, at 5:50 PM, Tom Barry wrote:
> Is the content on Freeview supposed to be better than in the USA?
>
> I sort of thought people like Freeview because it was free, the
> receivers were cheap, and it worked.
>
> - Tom
>
> tjharvey@xxxxxxx wrote:
>
>> Dermot,
>>
>> You started to make the correct point, stating the content over DTV
>> is the issue and then you blew it.
>>
>> The problem with US DTV is the content. I am receiving numerous
>> channels without problem but the programming is mostly crap. No one
>> is promoting it and with the repetative junk on over the air TV, no
>> wonder it is stagnating in the US.
>>
>> I have only read about Freeview and it looks good. If only there was
>> the imaginative thinking here in the US...
>>
>> Terry Harvey
>>
>>> From: dmenolan <dmenolan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Date: 2005/03/16 Wed AM 09:09:41 EST
>>> To: Open DTV list <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: [opendtv] Re: 5th generation Test
>>>
>>> Tom,
>>>
>>> Because in the US a dependency culture has existed on 'must-carry'
>>> and DB=
>>> S; witness the DirecTV MPEG4 local HDTV broadcasts. There has not
>>> been th=
>>> e development of a vibrant terrestrial sector as there has been in
>>> Europe=
>>> , Asia and South America. Then the politics which chose 8VSB over
>>> COFDM e=
>>> ffectively crippled the prospect of reinventing OTA television in a
>>> DTV r=
>>> eincarnation. This fiasco has been going on for five years while the
>>> COFD=
>>> M system is cleaning up around the world: all the things they said
>>> were w=
>>> rong with COFDM: too costly, too much silicon, won't work reliably
>>> now tu=
>>> rn out to be true for 8VSB instead. An ironic victory of sorts.
>>> Either most of the broadcasters do not care, are looking for
>>> regulatory r=
>>> elief, or just managing genteel decline. Its most likely the NTSC
>>> system =
>>> will continue for a long time as when the chips are down voter
>>> interests =
>>> come first, second, third and last!
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Dermot Nolan
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>>> From: INTERNET:opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, INTERNET:opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> To: , INTERNET:opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> =
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>>> Date: 16/03/105 14:00 PM
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>>> RE: [opendtv] Re: 5th generation Test
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>>> =
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>>> I don't understand why the broadcasters do not now use this as a =
>>>
>>> bargaining chip in front of Congress to delay the turn off or maybe
>>> even =
>>>
>>> bargain for multiple must-carry. It would seem that they could all =
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>>> collectively say they did not believe the technology was good enough
>>> yet =
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>>> and that they needed functional STB's to make the transition. And
>>> that =
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>>> would obviously take more time.
>>>
>>> Maybe they are keeping this as an ace in the hole for some reason.
>>>
>>> - Tom
>>>
>>>
>>> dmenolan wrote:
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>>>> Yes, and we all know why. Now the bills have to be settled:
>>>> possibly by=
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>>> e,=3D
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>>>> bye OTA in the USA..
>>>> =
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>>>> As the story goes round and round...
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>>>> Kindest Regards,
>>>> Dermot Nolan
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>>>> From: INTERNET:opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, INTERNET:opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>>>> Date: 15/03/105 23:20 PM
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>>>> RE: [opendtv] Re: 5th generation Test
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>>>> MSTV/NAB would not accept any of the COFDM receivers we had or
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>>>> Bob Miller
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>>>>>>> European standard STBs perform so well at such a low price
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>>>>>> Uh, NO, since, as you recall, a COFDM box did abysmally badly
>>>>>> compared to an ATSC box in the MSTV tests, since the COFDM box
>>>>>> had a bad front end.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Euro STBs DON'T perform all that well RF-wise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are getting to be just like Bob Miller and Dermot Nolan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doug McDonald
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