[opendtv] Re: 5th generation Test
- From: Tom Barry <trbarry@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:50:38 -0500
Is the content on Freeview supposed to be better than in the USA?
I sort of thought people like Freeview because it was free, the
receivers were cheap, and it worked.
- Tom
tjharvey@xxxxxxx wrote:
> Dermot,
>
> You started to make the correct point, stating the content over DTV is the
> issue and then you blew it.
>
> The problem with US DTV is the content. I am receiving numerous channels
> without problem but the programming is mostly crap. No one is promoting it
> and with the repetative junk on over the air TV, no wonder it is stagnating
> in the US.
>
> I have only read about Freeview and it looks good. If only there was the
> imaginative thinking here in the US...
>
> Terry Harvey
>
>>From: dmenolan <dmenolan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Date: 2005/03/16 Wed AM 09:09:41 EST
>>To: Open DTV list <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Subject: [opendtv] Re: 5th generation Test
>>
>>Tom,
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>>Because in the US a dependency culture has existed on 'must-carry' and DB=
>>S; witness the DirecTV MPEG4 local HDTV broadcasts. There has not been th=
>>e development of a vibrant terrestrial sector as there has been in Europe=
>>, Asia and South America. Then the politics which chose 8VSB over COFDM e=
>>ffectively crippled the prospect of reinventing OTA television in a DTV r=
>>eincarnation. This fiasco has been going on for five years while the COFD=
>>M system is cleaning up around the world: all the things they said were w=
>>rong with COFDM: too costly, too much silicon, won't work reliably now tu=
>>rn out to be true for 8VSB instead. An ironic victory of sorts.
>>Either most of the broadcasters do not care, are looking for regulatory r=
>>elief, or just managing genteel decline. Its most likely the NTSC system =
>>will continue for a long time as when the chips are down voter interests =
>>come first, second, third and last!
>>
>>Kind Regards,
>>
>>Dermot Nolan
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>>Date: 16/03/105 14:00 PM
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>>RE: [opendtv] Re: 5th generation Test
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>>I don't understand why the broadcasters do not now use this as a =
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>>bargaining chip in front of Congress to delay the turn off or maybe even =
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>>bargain for multiple must-carry. It would seem that they could all =
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>>collectively say they did not believe the technology was good enough yet =
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>>and that they needed functional STB's to make the transition. And that =
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>>would obviously take more time.
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>>Maybe they are keeping this as an ace in the hole for some reason.
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>>- Tom
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>>dmenolan wrote:
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>>>Yes, and we all know why. Now the bills have to be settled: possibly by=
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>>> bye OTA in the USA..
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>>>As the story goes round and round...
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>>>Kindest Regards,
>>>Dermot Nolan
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>>>RE: [opendtv] Re: 5th generation Test
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>>>MSTV/NAB would not accept any of the COFDM receivers we had or could ge=
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>>>>>>If the performance isn't solely in the equalization chip, then how do=
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>>>>>>European standard STBs perform so well at such a low price point? Co=
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>>>>>Uh, NO, since, as you recall, a COFDM box did abysmally badly
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>>>>>The Euro STBs DON'T perform all that well RF-wise.
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>>>>>You are getting to be just like Bob Miller and Dermot Nolan.
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>>>>>Doug McDonald
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