[opendtv] Re: 1080p@60 for MPEG-2
- From: Craig Birkmaier <craig@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:22:58 -0500
At 11:53 AM -0500 11/12/07, John Shutt wrote:
The tables appear to be labeled "upper bounds for sampling density",
so 576 is an upper bound for number of lines, and 30 is an upper
bound for number of frames per second, but do not necessarily permit
the 720x576x30 option.
The 720 x 576 x 30 option is not permissible in Main Profile at Main
level because the resulting sample rate would be 12.4 Million pixels
per second while the maximum sample clock for MP@ML is 10.368 M
samples per second. The sample clock was set at 10.368 because this
is the clock rate required for ITU-601 streams. 720 x 480 x 30 fps is
permissible, but also is never used.
Would be nice to see how MPEG-2 compression does with a 1080 at 60p
stream crammed into 19.39 Mb/s. I've heard a lot of people saying
that progressive compresses better than interlace, so the question
will be whether it compresses "better enough" to fit.
After reading the documents, it is my take that the proposed 1080p60
MPEG-2 "High Progressive" profile is intended for program acquition
and editing, not necessarily for ATSC emission.
Certainly not for ATSC emission, but quite possibly for other forms
or program distribution including Internet download less constrained
channels (I can imagine a cheap camcorder that does 1080@60P using
MPEG-2 ala HDV.
The reference to software encoders would apply to NLE software such
as Final Cut Pro, not to ATSC stbs. This would allow 1080p60
masters to be created, and downsampled to 1080i30, 1080p30, or
720p60 for emission.
This is already possible in FCP using several codecs.
After looking at several sites I am coming to the conclusion that
Sony may want the new MPEG-2 level to support some broadcast products
like an 1080@50/60P versions of XDCam.
Regards
Craig
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Would be nice to see how MPEG-2 compression does with a 1080 at 60p stream crammed into 19.39 Mb/s. I've heard a lot of people saying that progressive compresses better than interlace, so the question will be whether it compresses "better enough" to fit.
After reading the documents, it is my take that the proposed 1080p60 MPEG-2 "High Progressive" profile is intended for program acquition and editing, not necessarily for ATSC emission.
The reference to software encoders would apply to NLE software such as Final Cut Pro, not to ATSC stbs. This would allow 1080p60 masters to be created, and downsampled to 1080i30, 1080p30, or 720p60 for emission.
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