[nvda] Re: what to call NVDA?

So, are you using it from a thumb drive when you run it with Vista?  Any 
particular problems using it in Vista that I should know about.  I am very new 
at Vista, but learning!!!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hrvoje Katić" <hrvojekatic@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:04 AM
Subject: [nvda] Re: what to call NVDA?


:I also now use NVDA as my only screen reader now on Windows Vista, since it 
: works on Vista even better than JAWS!
: 
: ----- Original Message ----- 
: From: "trenton matthews" <afrang150@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: Sent: 30. travnja 2007 0:38
: Subject: [nvda] Re: what to call NVDA?
: 
: 
: > Replying to my own message.
: >    I still have Window-eyes oon my PC, however over the last few days, I 
: > have been using NVDA for almost everything, even with the AIM web site, 
: > which isn't working too badly with it. As the revissions get better and 
: > better, I've been straying from using GW Micro's Window-eyes even though I 
: > love that screen reader. I've been kinda doing what Michael's doing, using 
: > NVDA as my only screen reader. Anyone thinking of making a list of 
: > applications that NVDA works with that users could post to it? From: 
: > "trenton matthews" It'd be quite cool I'd think.
: > Well, gone away for now, see ya all soon!
: > <afrang150@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: > To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 4:22 PM
: > Subject: [nvda] Re: what to call NVDA?
: >
: >
: >> Well spoken, I agree with everything you just said.
: >>
: >> ----- Original Message ----- 
: >> From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: >> To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: >> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 3:46 PM
: >> Subject: [nvda] Re: what to call NVDA?
: >>
: >>
: >>> Hi John,
: >>>
: >>> I actually largely agree with the majority of your statements, but I 
: >>> want to
: >>> try to keep this relatively on topic with respect to NVDA.  My apologies 
: >>> for
: >>> my part in straying...
: >>>
: >>> It is absolutely essential that the blind person come to an employer as
: >>> equipped as possible.  That's the only way any of us are going to get 
: >>> jobs.
: >>> When I seek employment, I don't ask the employer to spend extra money on
: >>> adaptive technology.  Instead, I have already come with screen reader in
: >>> hand.  Right now, that constitutes JAWS and/or Window-Eyes.  Yep. I own 
: >>> both
: >>> screen readers and keep them current.  That's very expensive!  My much 
: >>> more
: >>> difficult employment related issue has been the vast majority of 
: >>> software
: >>> that still, for many reasons, does *not* work with any screen reader! 
: >>> Right
: >>> now, JAWS followed by Window-Eyes, has the best chance of working with 
: >>> the
: >>> most mainstream software on the market.  NVDA just isn't there yet.  I 
: >>> am
: >>> confident that will change in the future as NVDA is enhanced.
: >>>
: >>> Right now, if NVDA met a blind person's entire needs on any particular 
: >>> job,
: >>> then, of course, I would recommend NVDA!  Otherwise, alas, in most 
: >>> cases, I
: >>> must continue to advise people to plunk down the dough for one of the
: >>> leading screen readers.
: >>>
: >>> In time, as NVDA continues to mature, I am quite sure I will change my
: >>> stance on all of this.
: >>>
: >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
: >>> From: "John Greer" <jpgreer17@xxxxxxxxxxx>
: >>> To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: >>> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:55 PM
: >>> Subject: [nvda] Re: what to call NVDA?
: >>>
: >>>
: >>> So how about all of those jobs we as blind people don't get because it 
: >>> would
: >>> require them to spend thousands of  dollars on adaptive software in 
: >>> order to
: >>> hire the blind person.  There are more jobs out there than what is 
: >>> available
: >>> to a blind person right now.  Perhaps there is a little mom and pop 
: >>> store
: >>> out there that needs an employee, but can't see the benefit of hiring a
: >>> blind person because it would require them to spend thousands on 
: >>> adaptive
: >>> aids.  What do you think mom and pop store USA are going to do.  They 
: >>> are
: >>> going to hire the sighted because it is more cost effective for them. 
: >>> Well
: >>> if that blind person is able to say to the employer, I don't need the
: >>> company to purchase adaptive aids for me, I have things like NVDA, don't 
: >>> you
: >>> think that increases that blind persons chances of getting hired?  If 
: >>> you
: >>> are applying for a job with a recording studio and the software they use 
: >>> is
: >>> able to work with NVDA such as Adobe Audition, what would be better for 
: >>> the
: >>> employer, same answer as above.  In fact, I have a friend of mine that 
: >>> did
: >>> get hired, she works for an affiliate of Goodwill.  It was shortly 
: >>> before
: >>> NVDA existed, this company had to spend 1000 dollars on Jaws, and the 
: >>> only
: >>> thing it requires her to do is to use the internet to access the company
: >>> profiling page and write her reports out in MS Word, send it back to the
: >>> company via email.  For that they had to furnish her with a laptop for 
: >>> her
: >>> field work, buy jaws, buy her a what I would consider a sub par digital
: >>> voice recorder because it was one of the few that was usable for the 
: >>> blind.
: >>> Now they have to watch her like a hawk because they have alot of money
: >>> invested in her as an employee.  Wouldn't it have been much nicer and 
: >>> alot
: >>> less expensive and alot more attractive to the employer if she would 
: >>> have
: >>> been able to aquire those items herself?  I would think so.  She would 
: >>> have
: >>> been able to get the computer herself, if it were not for the 1000 
: >>> dollars
: >>> she needed to spend extra for Jaws. Sometimes people it is just that 
: >>> little
: >>> of an issue that keep us unemployed.
: >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
: >>> From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: >>> To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: >>> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 3:15 PM
: >>> Subject: [nvda] Re: what to call NVDA?
: >>>
: >>>
: >>>> Hi John,
: >>>>
: >>>> I have never had a job that only required the use of one or two
: >>>> applications.  Also, if a company isn't going to permit the 
: >>>> installation
: >>>> of
: >>>> a full screen reader like JAWS or Window-Eyes, then they probably are 
: >>>> also
: >>>> going to give you trouble with NVDA for some lame reason or another.
: >>>>
: >>>> As far as a lawsuit, well, that's typically the very last resort rather
: >>>> than
: >>>> the first when fighting against a case of discrimination.  It has been 
: >>>> my
: >>>> experience that most people want good rather than bad publicity, and 
: >>>> have
: >>>> managed to resolve most discrimination type issues without even needing 
: >>>> to
: >>>> resort to the law...  :)
: >>>>
: >>>>
: >>>>
: >>>>
: >>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
: >>>> From: "John Greer" <jpgreer17@xxxxxxxxxxx>
: >>>> To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: >>>> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:09 PM
: >>>> Subject: [nvda] Re: what to call NVDA?
: >>>>
: >>>>
: >>>> So rather than spending thousands of dollars fighting a discrimination
: >>>> lawsuit, which many blind people don't have that kind of money, why not
: >>>> use
: >>>> NVDA for what is possible right now.  If your job only requires you to 
: >>>> use
: >>>> Microsoft Word and they do not want employees to install 3rd party
: >>>> software,
: >>>> why not use NVDA for that purpose.  Blah blah blah etc. etc.
: >>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
: >>>> From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: >>>> To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: >>>> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:52 PM
: >>>> Subject: [nvda] Re: what to call NVDA?
: >>>>
: >>>>
: >>>>> Hi Trenton,
: >>>>>
: >>>>> I've had a number of tech jobs and haven't had any trouble installing
: >>>>> JAWS
: >>>>> on machines at work.  If I am not able to do it myself, then it is a
: >>>>> function performed by the company's IT department.  Since a screen 
: >>>>> reader
: >>>>> is
: >>>>> often required for a blind / visually impaired person to do their job, 
: >>>>> it
: >>>>> is, well, discrimination not to ultimately permit its installation for
: >>>>> that
: >>>>> purpose.
: >>>>>
: >>>>> Right, now, I feel NVDA is great for many users for performing their
: >>>>> day-to-day home based computing activities, but, in many cases, it
: >>>>> probably
: >>>>> isn't quite job-ready yet.
: >>>>>
: >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
: >>>>> From: "trenton matthews" <afrang150@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: >>>>> To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: >>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 12:47 PM
: >>>>> Subject: [nvda] Re: what to call NVDA?
: >>>>>
: >>>>>
: >>>>> I agree! How can a program, Job Access With Speech be called that, if
: >>>>> most
: >>>>> offices won't let people install it at their work place. Even for a
: >>>>> pin-drive, it just doesn't help at all! So honestly, ther's no freedom
: >>>>> with
: >>>>> Freedom Scientific, if you can't have the freedom to use any computer
: >>>>> anywhere, even at college,  That's not freedom!
: >>>>> The good thing about NVDA? No one will know you're using a screen 
: >>>>> reader!
: >>>>> Unless they acctually look on the system tray...
: >>>>> When the next latest version of NVDA comes to the world, that will be 
: >>>>> on
: >>>>> the
: >>>>> pen drive I have, and on my desktop PC, NVDA snap shots!
: >>>>>
: >>>>>
: >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
: >>>>> From: "John Greer" <jpgreer17@xxxxxxxxxxx>
: >>>>> To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: >>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:00 PM
: >>>>> Subject: [nvda] Re: what to call NVDA?
: >>>>>
: >>>>>
: >>>>>> maybe Freedom Scientific would be the people that need to change the
: >>>>>> name
: >>>>>> of their screen reader rather than the NVDA team.   . Maybe the 
: >>>>>> people
: >>>>>> at
: >>>>>> FS can call it Just Another Waste and Spend.  Wow hmmm, All they 
: >>>>>> would
: >>>>>> have to do is add another A. to their logo, contact George Lucas to 
: >>>>>> get
: >>>>>> permission to use the Jawas as their mascot, and raise the price 
: >>>>>> another
: >>>>>> 100 dollars per user of their screen reader to cover the cost of 
: >>>>>> doing
: >>>>>> that. LOL ok now back to useful discussion.
: >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
: >>>>>> From: "Stephen" <whocrazy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: >>>>>> To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 3:04 AM
: >>>>>> Subject: [nvda] Re: what to call NVDA?
: >>>>>>
: >>>>>>
: >>>>>>>I have a few ideas,
: >>>>>>> open reader, screen queen, open ears, screen genie
: >>>>>>> At 04:39 PM 29/04/2007, you wrote:
: >>>>>>>>Hi,
: >>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>I just asked one of my other blind friends on messenger. he likes 
: >>>>>>>>the
: >>>>>>>>name provox for windows. I like flipper the best. What name do you
: >>>>>>>>think
: >>>>>>>>is more catchy and would get people to use the screen reader?
: >>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>Josh
: >>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>email: jkenn337@xxxxxxxxx
: >>>>>>>>msn: kenn6498ku@xxxxxxxxxxx
: >>>>>>>>AOL: kutztownstudent
: >>>>>>>>skype: jkenn337
: >>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>To post messages to the list send email to
: >>>>>>>>nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
: >>>>>>>>To modify your NVDA Email settings go to:
: >>>>>>>>http://www.freelists.org/list/nvda
: >>>>>>>>Thank you for your continued support of Nonvisual Desktop Access, an
: >>>>>>>>open
: >>>>>>>>source free screen reader for Microsoft Windows:
: >>>>>>>>http://www.nvda-project.org/
: >>>>>>>>Report bugs or make feature requests at:
: >>>>>>>>http://trac.nvda-project.org/
: >>>>>>>>Message Archive:
: >>>>>>>>http://www.freelists.org/archives/nvda
: >>>>>>> To post messages to the list send email to
: >>>>>>> nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
: >>>>>>> To modify your NVDA Email settings go to:
: >>>>>>> http://www.freelists.org/list/nvda
: >>>>>>> Thank you for your continued support of Nonvisual Desktop Access, an
: >>>>>>> open
: >>>>>>> source free screen reader for Microsoft Windows:
: >>>>>>> http://www.nvda-project.org/
: >>>>>>> Report bugs or make feature requests at:
: >>>>>>> http://trac.nvda-project.org/
: >>>>>>> Message Archive:
: >>>>>>> http://www.freelists.org/archives/nvda
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>
: >>>>>> To post messages to the list send email to
: >>>>>> nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
: >>>>>> To modify your NVDA Email settings go to:
: >>>>>> http://www.freelists.org/list/nvda
: >>>>>> Thank you for your continued support of Nonvisual Desktop Access, an
: >>>>>> open
: >>>>>> source free screen reader for Microsoft Windows:
: >>>>>> http://www.nvda-project.org/
: >>>>>> Report bugs or make feature requests at:
: >>>>>> http://trac.nvda-project.org/
: >>>>>> Message Archive:
: >>>>>> http://www.freelists.org/archives/nvda
: >>>>>>
: >>>>>>
: >>>>>> -- 
: >>>>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
: >>>>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database:
: >>>>>> 269.6.1/778 - Release Date: 4/27/2007 1:39 PM
: >>>>>>
: >>>>>
: >>>>> To post messages to the list send email to
: >>>>> nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
: >>>>> To modify your NVDA Email settings go to:
: >>>>> http://www.freelists.org/list/nvda
: >>>>> Thank you for your continued support of Nonvisual Desktop Access, an 
: >>>>> open
: >>>>> source free screen reader for Microsoft Windows:
: >>>>> http://www.nvda-project.org/
: >>>>> Report bugs or make feature requests at:
: >>>>> http://trac.nvda-project.org/
: >>>>> Message Archive:
: >>>>> http://www.freelists.org/archives/nvda
: >>>>>
: >>>>> To post messages to the list send email to
: >>>>> nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
: >>>>> To modify your NVDA Email settings go to:
: >>>>> http://www.freelists.org/list/nvda
: >>>>> Thank you for your continued support of Nonvisual Desktop Access, an 
: >>>>> open
: >>>>> source free screen reader for Microsoft Windows:
: >>>>> http://www.nvda-project.org/
: >>>>> Report bugs or make feature requests at:
: >>>>> http://trac.nvda-project.org/
: >>>>> Message Archive:
: >>>>> http://www.freelists.org/archives/nvda
: >>>>>
: >>>>
: >>>> To post messages to the list send email to
: >>>> nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
: >>>> To modify your NVDA Email settings go to:
: >>>> http://www.freelists.org/list/nvda
: >>>> Thank you for your continued support of Nonvisual Desktop Access, an 
: >>>> open
: >>>> source free screen reader for Microsoft Windows:
: >>>> http://www.nvda-project.org/
: >>>> Report bugs or make feature requests at:
: >>>> http://trac.nvda-project.org/
: >>>> Message Archive:
: >>>> http://www.freelists.org/archives/nvda
: >>>>
: >>>> To post messages to the list send email to
: >>>> nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
: >>>> To modify your NVDA Email settings go to:
: >>>> http://www.freelists.org/list/nvda
: >>>> Thank you for your continued support of Nonvisual Desktop Access, an 
: >>>> open
: >>>> source free screen reader for Microsoft Windows:
: >>>> http://www.nvda-project.org/
: >>>> Report bugs or make feature requests at:
: >>>> http://trac.nvda-project.org/
: >>>> Message Archive:
: >>>> http://www.freelists.org/archives/nvda
: >>>>
: >>>
: >>> To post messages to the list send email to
: >>> nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
: >>> To modify your NVDA Email settings go to:
: >>> http://www.freelists.org/list/nvda
: >>> Thank you for your continued support of Nonvisual Desktop Access, an 
: >>> open
: >>> source free screen reader for Microsoft Windows:
: >>> http://www.nvda-project.org/
: >>> Report bugs or make feature requests at:
: >>> http://trac.nvda-project.org/
: >>> Message Archive:
: >>> http://www.freelists.org/archives/nvda
: >>>
: >>> To post messages to the list send email to
: >>> nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
: >>> To modify your NVDA Email settings go to:
: >>> http://www.freelists.org/list/nvda
: >>> Thank you for your continued support of Nonvisual Desktop Access, an 
: >>> open source free screen reader for Microsoft Windows:
: >>> http://www.nvda-project.org/
: >>> Report bugs or make feature requests at:
: >>> http://trac.nvda-project.org/
: >>> Message Archive:
: >>> http://www.freelists.org/archives/nvda
: >>>
: >>>
: >>> -- 
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: >>> 1:39 PM
: >>>
: >>
: >> To post messages to the list send email to
: >> nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
: >> To modify your NVDA Email settings go to:
: >> http://www.freelists.org/list/nvda
: >> Thank you for your continued support of Nonvisual Desktop Access, an open 
: >> source free screen reader for Microsoft Windows:
: >> http://www.nvda-project.org/
: >> Report bugs or make feature requests at:
: >> http://trac.nvda-project.org/
: >> Message Archive:
: >> http://www.freelists.org/archives/nvda
: >>
: >>
: >> -- 
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: >>
: >
: > To post messages to the list send email to
: > nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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: > Thank you for your continued support of Nonvisual Desktop Access, an open 
: > source free screen reader for Microsoft Windows:
: > http://www.nvda-project.org/
: > Report bugs or make feature requests at:
: > http://trac.nvda-project.org/
: > Message Archive:
: > http://www.freelists.org/archives/nvda 
: 
: To post messages to the list send email to
: nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
: To modify your NVDA Email settings go to:
: http://www.freelists.org/list/nvda
: Thank you for your continued support of Nonvisual Desktop Access, an open 
source free screen reader for Microsoft Windows:
: http://www.nvda-project.org/
: Report bugs or make feature requests at:
: http://trac.nvda-project.org/
: Message Archive:
: http://www.freelists.org/archives/nvda
: 
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