[nvda] Re: what to call NVDA?

Well spoken, I agree with everything you just said.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 3:46 PM
Subject: [nvda] Re: what to call NVDA?



Hi John,
I actually largely agree with the majority of your statements, but I want to try to keep this relatively on topic with respect to NVDA. My apologies for 
my part in straying...

It is absolutely essential that the blind person come to an employer as
equipped as possible. That's the only way any of us are going to get jobs. 
When I seek employment, I don't ask the employer to spend extra money on
adaptive technology.  Instead, I have already come with screen reader in
hand. Right now, that constitutes JAWS and/or Window-Eyes. Yep. I own both screen readers and keep them current. That's very expensive! My much more 
difficult employment related issue has been the vast majority of software
that still, for many reasons, does *not* work with any screen reader! Right 
now, JAWS followed by Window-Eyes, has the best chance of working with the
most mainstream software on the market.  NVDA just isn't there yet.  I am
confident that will change in the future as NVDA is enhanced.
Right now, if NVDA met a blind person's entire needs on any particular job, then, of course, I would recommend NVDA! Otherwise, alas, in most cases, I 
must continue to advise people to plunk down the dough for one of the
leading screen readers.

In time, as NVDA continues to mature, I am quite sure I will change my
stance on all of this.
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Greer" <jpgreer17@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:55 PM
Subject: [nvda] Re: what to call NVDA?
So how about all of those jobs we as blind people don't get because it would require them to spend thousands of dollars on adaptive software in order to hire the blind person. There are more jobs out there than what is available 
to a blind person right now.  Perhaps there is a little mom and pop store
out there that needs an employee, but can't see the benefit of hiring a
blind person because it would require them to spend thousands on adaptive
aids.  What do you think mom and pop store USA are going to do.  They are
going to hire the sighted because it is more cost effective for them. Well 
if that blind person is able to say to the employer, I don't need the
company to purchase adaptive aids for me, I have things like NVDA, don't you 
think that increases that blind persons chances of getting hired?  If you
are applying for a job with a recording studio and the software they use is able to work with NVDA such as Adobe Audition, what would be better for the 
employer, same answer as above.  In fact, I have a friend of mine that did
get hired, she works for an affiliate of Goodwill.  It was shortly before
NVDA existed, this company had to spend 1000 dollars on Jaws, and the only
thing it requires her to do is to use the internet to access the company
profiling page and write her reports out in MS Word, send it back to the
company via email.  For that they had to furnish her with a laptop for her
field work, buy jaws, buy her a what I would consider a sub par digital
voice recorder because it was one of the few that was usable for the blind. 
Now they have to watch her like a hawk because they have alot of money
invested in her as an employee.  Wouldn't it have been much nicer and alot
less expensive and alot more attractive to the employer if she would have
been able to aquire those items herself? I would think so. She would have 
been able to get the computer herself, if it were not for the 1000 dollars
she needed to spend extra for Jaws. Sometimes people it is just that little 
of an issue that keep us unemployed.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 3:15 PM
Subject: [nvda] Re: what to call NVDA?



Hi John,

I have never had a job that only required the use of one or two
applications.  Also, if a company isn't going to permit the installation
of
a full screen reader like JAWS or Window-Eyes, then they probably are also 
going to give you trouble with NVDA for some lame reason or another.

As far as a lawsuit, well, that's typically the very last resort rather
than
the first when fighting against a case of discrimination.  It has been my
experience that most people want good rather than bad publicity, and have
managed to resolve most discrimination type issues without even needing to 
resort to the law...  :)
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Greer" <jpgreer17@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:09 PM
Subject: [nvda] Re: what to call NVDA?


So rather than spending thousands of dollars fighting a discrimination
lawsuit, which many blind people don't have that kind of money, why not
use
NVDA for what is possible right now. If your job only requires you to use 
Microsoft Word and they do not want employees to install 3rd party
software,
why not use NVDA for that purpose.  Blah blah blah etc. etc.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:52 PM
Subject: [nvda] Re: what to call NVDA?



Hi Trenton,

I've had a number of tech jobs and haven't had any trouble installing
JAWS
on machines at work.  If I am not able to do it myself, then it is a
function performed by the company's IT department. Since a screen reader 
is
often required for a blind / visually impaired person to do their job, it 
is, well, discrimination not to ultimately permit its installation for
that
purpose.

Right, now, I feel NVDA is great for many users for performing their
day-to-day home based computing activities, but, in many cases, it
probably
isn't quite job-ready yet.
----- Original Message ----- From: "trenton matthews" <afrang150@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 12:47 PM
Subject: [nvda] Re: what to call NVDA?


I agree! How can a program, Job Access With Speech be called that, if
most
offices won't let people install it at their work place. Even for a
pin-drive, it just doesn't help at all! So honestly, ther's no freedom
with
Freedom Scientific, if you can't have the freedom to use any computer
anywhere, even at college,  That's not freedom!
The good thing about NVDA? No one will know you're using a screen reader! 
Unless they acctually look on the system tray...
When the next latest version of NVDA comes to the world, that will be on
the
pen drive I have, and on my desktop PC, NVDA snap shots!
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Greer" <jpgreer17@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:00 PM
Subject: [nvda] Re: what to call NVDA?



maybe Freedom Scientific would be the people that need to change the
name
of their screen reader rather than the NVDA team.   . Maybe the people
at
FS can call it Just Another Waste and Spend.  Wow hmmm, All they would
have to do is add another A. to their logo, contact George Lucas to get
permission to use the Jawas as their mascot, and raise the price another 
100 dollars per user of their screen reader to cover the cost of doing
that. LOL ok now back to useful discussion.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen" <whocrazy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 3:04 AM
Subject: [nvda] Re: what to call NVDA?



I have a few ideas,
open reader, screen queen, open ears, screen genie
At 04:39 PM 29/04/2007, you wrote:

Hi,

I just asked one of my other blind friends on messenger. he likes the
name provox for windows. I like flipper the best. What name do you
think
is more catchy and would get people to use the screen reader?

Josh

email: jkenn337@xxxxxxxxx
msn: kenn6498ku@xxxxxxxxxxx
AOL: kutztownstudent
skype: jkenn337

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