[nvda] Re: observations with the latest snapshot

weird.
I'm sort of having the same issue where when you exit hal, if I don't push 
control to silence speech while its speaking or push y while its still speaking 
hal will quit but sam will crash in such a way that although the speech will 
stop after a bit hal does not start untill I restart or end the process with 
jaws.
However if I do do as I say above this does not happen.
Not a biggy but a pain if I need to switch back.
This only happens twice a day when I need switching I hardly switch but I 
always need to watch myself because If I forget.
At 12:09 a.m. 7/06/2008, you wrote:
>Well, either I'm clumsy, or its a problem with this machine, but I also have 
>problems with caps lock for any functions, indeed I changed it to scroll lock 
>in Hal as for some reason, I found the caps lock would in fact go on randomly 
>which was getting on my wick big time.
>
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>----- Original Message ----- From: "James Teh" <jamie@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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>Subject: [nvda] Re: observations with the latest snapshot
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>>Gene wrote:
>>>Referring to synthesizer commands, Chris wrote in part:
>>>This can be done
>>>>on the fly by nvda+control up arrow to increase, down arrow to
>>>>decrease, and left and right arrow to move in between the various
>>>>options such as voice, speed, etc.
>>>This needs to be changed. There is no reasonable way to implement these
>>>commands.
>>This is always very subjective. While I'm happy to consider changing 
>>keystrokes, there are reasons I'm not happy with these suggestions; see below.
>>
>>>Even if one uses the caps lock for the NVDA key the
>>>combination of control caps lock is very uncomfortable and unnatural.
>>I actually have no trouble at all with control+capsLock, but having said 
>>this, I have a rather insane ability to manage all sorts of bizarre key 
>>combinations.
>>
>>>I would recommend assigning a combination
>>>like alt shift for these kinds of commands and eliminating use of the
>>>control key, leaving the simple alt plus shift plus arrow keys.
>>While you could argue that this is prioritising principles over convenience 
>>and useability, I think it is very important to try to use the NVDA key or 
>>the numpad (which is also associated with NVDA) for all screen reader 
>>functions. This makes it much easier for a user to understand which functions 
>>are implemented by the screen reader and which are implemented by the 
>>operating system and/or the application. There are cases where this is blurry 
>>(e.g. table navigation, which really should be part of the 
>>application/operating system itself but isn't), but changing speech 
>>parameters is definitely specific to the screen reader.
>>
>>>If the left control is
>>>used, one is, once again, faced with the unpleasant task of holding the
>>>numpad insert key with the right hand while simultaneously working with
>>>the arrow keys with the same hand.
>>This is how I do this on a desktop keyboard and it doesn't seem to cause me 
>>any problems.
>>
>>On my notebook (which is my primary machine), pressing these key combinations 
>>is actually a total nuisance. However, that's my fault for being strange and 
>>refusing to use an NVDA laptop keyboard layout. :)
>>
>>Further feedback on this is certainly welcome. If we can come up with 
>>something that suits the majority of users better, that is great.
>>
>>Jamie
>>
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