[nvda] Re: no changes to nvda trunk for nearly 3 days?

I don't know of any such list but then, I haven't looked. I can tell you that Firefox does not support Active X controls at all in its original design. As I understand matters, there is an add on that will provide support for Active X controls but I believe the support is incomplete.
Fortunately, it appears to me that many sites that require Active X controls when using Internet Explorer do not require them when using Firefox. What I have in mind are sites that use the Flash player for audio. The Internet Explorer version of the Flash Player appears to require Active X controls to function. The Firefox version, for obvious reasons, does not. This is a meaningful security benefit. But these days, increasingly JAVA scripts are being used to instigate attacks on computers from web sites. If Firefox became the dominant browser or much more popular than it is, it would have all sorts of attacks against it. Even now, vulnerabilities are fixed a fair amount in Firefox. It is for emotional reasons that people make sweeping statements such as Firefox is the future, not from an assessment of current facts and trends. 

Gene
----- Original Message ----- From: "Werner, Craig" <WERNERCG@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Gene, my guess is that the statement that Internet Explorer holds sevnty
percent of the Internet market share is an accurate appraisal.

BTW, do you or does anyone on the list know of a document that explains
which controls work inadequately with which browsers?  For instance, I
have read on this list that Firefox handles Activex controls poorly.

Craig

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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 1:39 PM
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I don't have one single source, it's a figure I've seen off and on when
I
read reports in the media about market share of the main browsers.

Gene
----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Werner" <craig_werner@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 5:47 AM
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Gene, what is your source for the statement "Internet Explorer still

has

about 70 percent of the Internet use  market?"  I'm not taking sides,

just

requesting information.

Craig

Gene wrote:

Here we go again.  More irrational Microsoft bashing and anti closed
source hostility.  Internet Explorer still has about 70 percent of

the

Internet use market, like it or not.  What if someone is working at a

job

that requires that Internet Explorer be used?  What if at some point

some

sites use the dot Net Framework which, as I understand matters, is

not

supported by Firefox.  What if a web site doesn't work well with

Firefox

because of Active X controls or some other reason I am unaware of.
Instead of imposing your biases on what programs are supported, maybe

a

trip to the real world is in order.  If NVDA is being developed

strictly

for the open source community, then if that community doesn't want
Internet Explorer support, that's fine.  If NVDA ever becomes a truly



wide spread program in its use, most users won't care in the

slightest

whether it is an open source program. They will care if it supports

the

applications they either want or need to use.

Writing off a browser as the past which has 70 percent of the market

is

nothing but bias and condlusions based on no supporting evidence.

Gene
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Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 2:25 AM
Subject: [nvda] Re: no changes to nvda trunk for nearly 3 days?



Jamie I agree with you! Firefox is a future, IE is the past and also



closed-source, so anybody who wants IE support in an open-source

screen

reader, he can sit down and start to learn programming and then make



this support for yourself. Anybody smart enough will switch to

Firefox

without any problems, plus will get even better, faster and much

stable

Web browser, and it even takes less memory.

----- Original Message ----- From: "James Teh" <jamie@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: 25. kolovoz 2008 1:32
Subject: [nvda] Re: no changes to nvda trunk for nearly 3 days?



List account (downstairs) wrote:

So do these  bits of programming to add these  extras help a mass

of

people, ie as much as getting IE to work moderately correctly

might?

These changes are necessary in order for formatting information to

be

read properly in various programs, including Firefox where

formatting

currently isn't read at all. It makes our support for Firefox more
complete, as well as giving us a framework for implementing

formatting

easily for other applications.
If you don't want to wait for the IE support to be rewritten,

you're

very welcome to start the job yourself. :)

Jamie

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