[nvda] Re: hi all

You said it!
By the way, the wineyes keystroke for the system tray to be used in a list, is "insert+s" As Doug from GW states, in every Wineyes tutorial, they are not trying to reinvent the wheel, thus the same not wishing to reinvent windows. 
And that's my last word here.
Good day all.

On 11/8/2009 11:48 AM, burt henry wrote:
I will say again that the key strokes are WHEN NOT THE SAME USUALLY QUITE SIMILAR TO JFW. JAWS is the $#1 screenreader in the world as far as numbers of users/and won't change for quite a while if ever. No, I don't know of audio tutorials for NVDA. Maybe some jaws users could build an interface to emulate its keystrokes in NVDA, but I for one don't want Jamie and Mik to waste any of there time in things that are not directly related to better NVDA performance/access to aps and content. 
Burt

On 11/8/2009 8:17 café, Kevin Cussick wrote:

Hello,

I am not criticizing the devs of nvda so don't try and make out I am!!!!

I am just saying what I think. I think nvda is a grate screen reader and
I use it as my main screen reader but I still think it should be added
insert f 11 for system tray.

All other screen readers have this don't know about we. Hal has the
option to do it I think and jfw does it why not have a jfw keyboard
emulation as an option making the shift over more pleasant from jfw to
nvda.

I use jfw as an example because like it or not it is the most used
screen reader on the market. maybe things will change.

I don't have any other screen reader on my computers just nvda.

I will just say that I really struggle with object navigation, if there
is an audio tutorial on how to use object navigation i would love to
hear it.

Again I am not having a pop at any of the devs just saying what I think.
Kevin Cussick.

burt henry wrote:

it can't be much easier, as so many key-strokes are if not the same,
similar. For me the thing is not to try and copy jaws functionality, but 
do things that jfw, win-eyes, hal?/never used it, and screen access
don't do, or don't do well.
B.H.
P.S.-an exec with gw micro said something to the effect that if one had
the chance it would be best for them to not only have win-eyes, but at
least one other good screen reader. There is so much ground to cover,
and FS has 100 ppl working directly for them(more or less); NVDA has
TWO?! WOW these guys are great!
Can't say thanks and good work enough.
Burt


On 11/7/2009 4:04 chela, Kevin Cussick wrote:

Hello,

For what it's worth I agree I think it should be implemented.
It's a key that does nothing in nvda and I'm not a programmer so I will 
take a guess and say that I don't think it would be that hard to
implement.
I know quite a few jfw users now are using nvda as well as jfw, I think 
if we can make it easier to come over to nvda we should try and do it.
Kevin Cussick.

Gene wrote:

Just saying you disagree means nothing if you don't explain your
reasons.

Gene
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I disagree.
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but as I said before when this topic came up, the system tray dialog 
that many screen-readers provide has become such a standard part of
using Windows as a blind person that NVDA should have such a feature. If we knew that most blind people who are expected to use NVDA would 
read documentation, this would be a minor issue. but most blind
screen-reader users don't learn much about their screen-reader. Also, currently, I see nothing directly dealing with how to use the System 
Tray in the documentation. There is one very brief reference about
how to open the NVDA menu from the system tray but there is no
section explaining how to use the System tray. Nothing is explained
such as that enter when using the system tray is equivalent to double left click, the context menu key is equivalent to single right click 
and, according to a list member, the space bar is equivalent to a
single left click. Very few blind people are going to know any of
this and even if this were in the documentation, most people wouldn't 
read it. There are certain conventions, such as the system tray
dialog, that are so common and widespread that screen-readers should 
include them.

Gene
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You don't need it. Windows key B is the windows conmmand for
accessing the system tray.
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Subject: [nvda] hi all


Hi all.
I am a new member to this list, and i would love NVDA to include some 
form of system tray app.
Like jaws does.
insert f11
or insert f10 for the running app list.
huM?
Let me know what you think
Kieran


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Kieran

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