[nvda] Re: got stuck downloading snapshot

I need to add one or two more comments:
First, the Vista First Thoughts file is not relevant to someone already using Vista. It is a discussion of whether you should upgrade to Vista and was done at the time Vista was first released. You can skip the first file in the Vista series unless you are simply curious.
Second, since I haven't listened to other presentations in the Vista series, I don't know how suitable they would be for you. I don't know how much you already know and I don't know if this series assumes more knowledge than you currently have. I also don't know if the frame of reference will be helpful. This series assumes that those using it are already using Windows XP or a version of Windows earlier than Vista. I am very carefully saying that I don't know if this will be a problem. I haven't listened to the series. You may already know enough that it won't be. As I said, the Cathy Anne series if very good but since it deals with XP, certain descriptions will not apply to Vista. You may find it easier, perhaps considerably easier, to purchase or find a comprehensive free tutorial that deals with Vista from the standpoint of a new user and continues from there. As I said, Cathy Anne Murtha has a tutorial for sale for Vista. If you use material that may cause problems in learning, you may become needlessly discouraged or have unnecessary frustrations. Since I don't know if you are willing to purchase something nor what free material is available that starts off from the standpoint of someone using Vista, I can't advise on what the best way is to proceed. Also, Cathy anne is very good. However, different teachers have different styles and different people learn better from different teachers. So I need to modify what I said. Cathy Anne is one of the best instructors in the field. Whether she is the instructor who is the best for you is another matter. So, I'm not making any specific recommendations as to how you proceed except for one, it is very important to learn in a systematic manner from a good instructor or instructors. You may want to start with the resources I've mentioned and try listening to a little of the Cathy Anne Murtha material and the material on the Blind Geek Zone site and then deciding what you want to do. but the most important point is that if you don't learn systematically and from a good instructor, you will not be able to do nearly as much as you otherwise could and are likely to have unnecessary frustrations and limitations. If you can do what you want and are not particularly interested in progressing further than your current knowledge, that's a decision I can't make but I'm saying that if you do want to proceed and become more knowledgeable and capable, at least listening to fifteen or twenty minutes of the material from each person I've discussed may help you decide how you want to proceed. 

Gene
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@xxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Re: got stuck downloading snapshot
You don't need to become a geek. You do need to understand certain concepts. Look at the resources I provided. Spend perhaps half an hour or an hour a day learning and practicing. . Use some sort of organized learning material such as the Cathy Anne material or other material such as I discuss in this message. You don't necessarily need to go through all of the material. You may find that you learn everything or mostly everything you want or need to know before you reach the end. It depends on how much you want to learn. You may be looking on this as a chore. Once you really begin to understand Windows, you may find it intrinsically interesting and your attitude may change to curiosity and enjoyment. You cannot learn Windows basics properly by unorganized haphazard learning. The Cathy Anne Material, as I said, is for Windows XP. Not everything will apply to Vista. If you want to spend money, get Cathy Anne's Vista tutorial. Or you can go to: 
http://www.blind-geek-zone.net/audio.htm
and find lots of information about using Vista. Search the page for the words first thoughts which will take you to the first link in a Vista tutorial series. However, you will probably get the best laid out and comprehensive instruction purchasing the Cathy Anne tutorial, at least comparing it to most other resources available for free and for pay as well. I haven't worked with the free material on the Blind Geek Zone site which I posted directions to in this message. I can't tell you whether you would be better off starting with the Vista material or with the Cathy Anne XP tutorials if you are starting with just free material. I can tell you that if you try listening to the first lesson or part of each series, you will probably know how you want to progress. You will save yourself wasted time and frustration if you learn properly and thoroughly. You may also find that what you consider inaccessibility problems results almost entirely from your current lack of knowledge. Microsoft places a high priority on making Windows accessible. Many widely used and popular programs are either fully or mostly accessible. but there is simply no escaping the need to learn properly. Depending on what you want to be able to do, you may want to learn more or less. Or you may want to learn a certain amount now and progress later. But learning logically and systematically is essential if you are going to be a competent computer operator. 

Gene
----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Gaff" <bglists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 8:47 AM
Subject: [nvda] Re: got stuck downloading snapshot
Yes, well, we have to get into altering configs of windows to make things tolerable and this is how one learns I suppose. The main rule is when changing things do it one thing at a time and make sure you know how to get back. I assume you know that underneath windows is a basic tree structure of directories and folders starting at C: and each branch can have other branches so to speak. The problem is as you say, that in their effort to make it blindingly obvious to the sighted, they have forgotten to explain the underlying stuff that you need to know when things do not go as one might expect. 

Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "ron nuttall" <rron_ron@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] Re: got stuck downloading snapshot



brian thanks
i hope you don't think i'm actually being taught computer skills.
the only lessons i get are thoes i teach myself and thoes i receive online 
such as from members of this list.
i new that when i bought my first computer in october 07, i might be making 
a big mistake.
the motavation was the fact that everything is now online, and if you don't want to be a second class sitizen, you need to be online - and thats it - i 
don't really want to become a geek just so as to be online, but its
beginning to look like i might need to try and become one in order to do so. ofcourse, non of this would be necessory if microsoft made there operating 
systmes fully accessable to blind people.
narator falls so far short of what could be called access as to be
laughable.
now who's ranting?
cheers - Ron Nuttall
----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Gaff Lineone downstairs" <bgaff@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 8:23 AM
Subject: [nvda] Re: got stuck downloading snapshot
Hi Ron, this is no criticism of anyone new, but I do feel sometimes that when computer skills are taught all that is ever shown is exactly what you 
refer to, ie runing software which is installed automatically. Windos
explorer and search etc, seem never to be covered in detail.
Its one of my hobby horses over here at least that people are treated as 
simpletons unable to cope with other concepts.

OK rant over. I think what you need to do is just hit enter on the
filename of what you want to run, Windows will decide, if it knows, what to do with what you hit enter on. Thus if its a text doc, it will load it 
into your default editor, if its a program it will run it for you.
At this point I'd also like to suggest that if anyone has not got show
file extensions switched on in their files and folders, do it now!
It is far better to know what you are going to run than be surprised when 
Windows does something very odd.
grin.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "ron nuttall" <rron_ron@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 12:19 AM
Subject: [nvda] got stuck downloading snapshot


   kendall - you say run the NVDA.exe. file from c:\nvda portable.
first of all, i'm use to going to a program or a file or folder by
pressing enter on iether a list item in the start menu or on a desktop
shortcut.
however, in the edit box at the top of the start menu called start search, 
i typed C:\nvda portable and pressed enter.
this took me to an incomprehensable tipe of list containing 44 items.
assuming this is what i now need to do, how do i run the NVDA.exe file
from here.
do i need to type the word run followed by NVDA.exe separated by a colon 
or a slash or something.
you guise are so helpfull, but you tend to forget your dealing with a
relative novice here.
all the best and thanks once again - Ron Nuttall



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