[nvda] Re: followups to first message by new subscriber..was Hello
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- Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:16:27 -0000
Sorry, it was my first message and the subject was true and nobody bothered
to alter it.
I have done this now, though it has to be said, there is hardly a huge
quantity her to make it an imperative at the moment.
Brian
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From: "James Scholes" <james@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 3:41 PM
Subject: [nvda] Re: Hello
Hi all, what's going on here with subject line? People need to be more
descriptive.
James Scholes
http://www.jamesscholes.com
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From: "Brian Gaff" <bglists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 8:42 AM
To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [nvda] Re: Hello
I do understand where you are coming from about Firefox. Its another one
of those problems owhere real world use and the resources and such do not
marry up everywhere.
I'm no fan of Microsoft, but one of the things I've found with computers
in 'normal' whatever that is, households is that the sighted do not want
things installed, so adding Firefox is often just not an option. It may
well be that my experience is unique to where I am in the UK and local
conditions etc, but it is very much the case that showing that there is
no change for the sighted, not even adding a user, is a great selling
point when letting 'the blind' loose on the machine.
I know its a short sighted attitude by the family, I know its
discriminatory, but that is the way life is.
Anyway, enough of this, I hope you will be able to at least fix some of
the more obvious IE problems as soon as possible.
With regard to beeps, hmm, I have to pass on the how to's, and your
system works much faster than some readers whose beeps appear to be in
wav files, the playing of which slugs everything.
I like, for instance, the Dolphin noise on caps better than the pitch
change, but there is no doubt that it slows things down.
Brian
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----- Original Message -----
From: "James Teh" <jamie@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 11:21 AM
Subject: [nvda] Re: Hello
Brian Gaff wrote:
Hi, thanks for the info. I use the release version for people I'm
trying to entice into computers as its pretty stable.
This is fair enough and is normally what I would recommend.
Unfortunately, the stable release of NVDA is really very out of date.
This will hopefully not be the case for too much longer, though there
are several reasons for this upon which I won't elaborate here.
I understand about IE now. I guess if you can get a reliable system
working with a reliable browser, then you can use the tricks learned
for another one. I must say though, and this is a personal opinion,
most people I'm trying to entice into computer use do not want to
download another browser, and I'd have imagined getting it to work with
an out of the box Windows might be more useful to many newbies with not
enough cash for a commercial screen reader.
Perhaps. However, being a free and open source product ourselves, we
feel a certain inclination towards supporting other open source
software. We also receive much greater support from open source software
developers and it is thus much easier for us to implement support in
NVDA. Finally, organisations such as the Mozilla Foundation have
provided us with several grants in order to further NVDA's development.
Aside from our obligations under these grants, we feel a certain
obligation to support software from such organisations first and
foremost.
Re the beeps. I preferred the old ones myself. The new ones sound
shrill and almost square wave like to me. However these are personal
prefs of course.
Indeed. Unfortunately, the old ones sounded a bit soft and
indistinguishable to some. Personally, I would prefer something between
the new and the old ones, but the maths for generating these tones is a
bit tricky for some of us. :)
Jamie
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James Scholes http://www.jamesscholes.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian Gaff" <bglists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 8:42 AM To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [nvda] Re: Hello
I do understand where you are coming from about Firefox. Its another one of those problems owhere real world use and the resources and such do not marry up everywhere.I'm no fan of Microsoft, but one of the things I've found with computers in 'normal' whatever that is, households is that the sighted do not want things installed, so adding Firefox is often just not an option. It may well be that my experience is unique to where I am in the UK and local conditions etc, but it is very much the case that showing that there is no change for the sighted, not even adding a user, is a great selling point when letting 'the blind' loose on the machine.I know its a short sighted attitude by the family, I know its discriminatory, but that is the way life is.Anyway, enough of this, I hope you will be able to at least fix some of the more obvious IE problems as soon as possible.With regard to beeps, hmm, I have to pass on the how to's, and your system works much faster than some readers whose beeps appear to be in wav files, the playing of which slugs everything.I like, for instance, the Dolphin noise on caps better than the pitch change, but there is no doubt that it slows things down.BrianThis account only receives email from the list. Please direct any personal email tobriang1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Replies to this address vanish into a hole.... Unless Brian Gaff is in the To line display name field.----- Original Message ----- From: "James Teh" <jamie@xxxxxxxxxxx>To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 11:21 AM Subject: [nvda] Re: HelloBrian Gaff wrote:Hi, thanks for the info. I use the release version for people I'm trying to entice into computers as its pretty stable.This is fair enough and is normally what I would recommend. Unfortunately, the stable release of NVDA is really very out of date. This will hopefully not be the case for too much longer, though there are several reasons for this upon which I won't elaborate here.I understand about IE now. I guess if you can get a reliable system working with a reliable browser, then you can use the tricks learned for another one. I must say though, and this is a personal opinion, most people I'm trying to entice into computer use do not want to download another browser, and I'd have imagined getting it to work with an out of the box Windows might be more useful to many newbies with not enough cash for a commercial screen reader.Perhaps. However, being a free and open source product ourselves, we feel a certain inclination towards supporting other open source software. We also receive much greater support from open source software developers and it is thus much easier for us to implement support in NVDA. Finally, organisations such as the Mozilla Foundation have provided us with several grants in order to further NVDA's development. Aside from our obligations under these grants, we feel a certain obligation to support software from such organisations first and foremost.Re the beeps. I preferred the old ones myself. The new ones sound shrill and almost square wave like to me. However these are personal prefs of course.Indeed. Unfortunately, the old ones sounded a bit soft and indistinguishable to some. Personally, I would prefer something between the new and the old ones, but the maths for generating these tones is a bit tricky for some of us. :)Jamie -- James Teh Email: jamie@xxxxxxxxxxx WWW: http://www.jantrid.net/ MSN Messenger: jamie@xxxxxxxxxxx Jabber: jteh@xxxxxxxxxx Yahoo: jcs_teh To post messages to the list send email to nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To modify your NVDA Email settings go to: http://www.freelists.org/list/nvdaThank you for your continued support of Nonvisual Desktop Access, an open source free screen reader for Microsoft Windows:http://www.nvda-project.org/ To get the latest NVDA snapshot: http://www.nvda-project.org/snapshots/ Report bugs or make feature requests at: http://trac.nvda-project.org/ Message Archive: http://www.freelists.org/archives/nvdaTo post messages to the list send email to nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To modify your NVDA Email settings go to: http://www.freelists.org/list/nvdaThank you for your continued support of Nonvisual Desktop Access, an open source free screen reader for Microsoft Windows:http://www.nvda-project.org/ To get the latest NVDA snapshot: http://www.nvda-project.org/snapshots/ Report bugs or make feature requests at: http://trac.nvda-project.org/ Message Archive: http://www.freelists.org/archives/nvda __________ NOD32 2908 (20080228) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
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