[nvda] Re: To all list members

Oh peter, we definitely will! Just wondering, could there be a way
somehow of turning on the display hooks when needed and turn them off
when not? Maybe there could be an option in NVDA preferences or
something. Thanks.
On Mon, 28 May 2007 22:09:27 +0200, "Peter Vágner" <peter.v@xxxxxxxxxxx>
said:
> Hello,
> Originally I thought I am not going to comment on this because I am not 
> using MSN or live messenger but this topic is growing here so here is my 
> little comment. NVDA has no special support for retrieving emoticons 
> built in. what it does that it retrieves text directly from the custom 
> control used. What jaws and others are doing is most probably using 
> display hooks or other means of accessing display information directly. 
> Since graphic cant be processed this way in this particular scenario 
> implementation without display hooking mechanisms works better for you 
> all likeing this behaviour.
> so enjoy the feature.
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
> Ka Yat Li  wrote:
> > Hi:
> > 
> > Ooops my bad. I just remember that.
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Wong" <allanwkf@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 3:58 PM
> > Subject: [nvda] To all list members
> > 
> > 
> >> hi Ka Yat Li,
> >> you should try it once. ask some one send you an emoticons, then press 
> >> shift tab to the history window, use your arrow key up/down,
> >> you will notice that jaws will only read the messages but not the 
> >> graphical emoticons. but however, you can read the emoticons by
> >> pressing alt1 to 0 to read the history window. NVDA can read those 
> >> emoticons even when you use the arrow keys in the history window.
> >> try it yourself.
> >>
> >> sorry for mentioning about jaws.
> >>
> >> Warmest Regards,
> >> Allan Wong
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ka Yat Li" <ka.yat.li@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 03:47
> >> Subject: [nvda] Re: To all list members
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi:
> >>
> >> I think JAWS and Window Eyes can read Emodicons as well but the fact that
> >> NVDA already supports reading them is pretty impressive.
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Hallsworth" 
> >> <chrishallsworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 3:24 AM
> >> Subject: [nvda] Re: To all list members
> >>
> >>
> >>> Well I've found an amazing discovery yesterday. When I was using Windows
> >>> Live Messenger, I noticed that NVDA can read graphical emoticons, even
> >>> in the history window, which no other screen reader, to my knowledge,
> >>> can currently do! This is a great bonus as I have contacts who I think
> >>> forget that I'm blind and therefore can't read emoticons. Now I won't
> >>> have to remind them anymore! Thanks guys and keep up the good works!
> >>> John, I may join the developers list as I'll be interested in how they
> >>> develop NVDA. I know they use Python and the like, but I'd like to watch
> >>> them in progress, as it were.
> >>> On Sun, 27 May 2007 13:26:59 -0500, "John Greer" <jpgreer17@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> said:
> >>>> Hello list members,
> >>>> As I am reading through the list of emails, I am noticing a pattern of
> >>>> questions.  Many of the questions I have encountered have been 
> >>>> asking the
> >>>> developers to add something that NVDA doesn't already do.  While it 
> >>>> is ok
> >>>> to request new features in NVDA please keep in mind this.  NVDA has a
> >>>> very small number of people that are programming the actual code for 
> >>>> it.
> >>>> In fact there are only around 3 or 4 that I know of.  I would like 
> >>>> to ask
> >>>> all list members to please remain patient with them.  One of the number
> >>>> one requested features on this list is for video display hooks.  
> >>>> Yes, it
> >>>> is a known request, and it is being researched.  In any case, I have
> >>>> noticed a few other disturbing trends.  As new members are added the 
> >>>> same
> >>>> questions begin to be asked.  I would like to take this time to ask the
> >>>> existing members to help Mick out in this area.  If you notice a 
> >>>> question
> >>>> that you either know the answer to, or have seen appear on the list
> >>>> before, please help the newer members out by explaining to them what 
> >>>> you
> >>>> know about the issue.  Now I being on the developers list too, see each
> >>>> and every day Mick and others adding fixes, and sometimes new 
> >>>> features at
> >>>> a very brisk pace.  It is mind boggling sometimes to watch them.  I am
> >>>> not a programmer of NVDA myself but I find it fascinating to see how
> >>>> quickly they work.  Sometimes, I myself think of a new feature I would
> >>>> like to see added into NVDA but I try to watch what they are doing and
> >>>> try my best to refrain from one request after another.  Another
> >>>> disturbing trend I have noticed are list members that come back to the
> >>>> list and ask if the feature they requested has been added yet.  While I
> >>>> can see why people may want to ask that question, I can't see the need
> >>>> for posting it to the list.  The reason is because they could very 
> >>>> easily
> >>>> download the latest version of NVDA and test it and see for themselves.
> >>>> Now, I would also like to redirect the posts on this list by saying, 
> >>>> the
> >>>> number one thing I have not seen on this list is this.  No one to my
> >>>> knowledge has come back to the list and said hey I just discovered that
> >>>> NVDA works pretty good with an application that it is not known to work
> >>>> with.  In closing I would like to say that each member on this list
> >>>> should really take the time to explore the applications they have on
> >>>> their computer and report back to the list programs that work well with
> >>>> NVDA that are not otherwise known.  I understand that it is frustrating
> >>>> that NVDA does not work with every application you have but before you
> >>>> get frustrated, please try to take the time to find some that it does
> >>>> work well with.  I can assure you even the programmers get frustrated
> >>>> because it does not work with every program in existence, but I can
> >>>> assure you they sometimes also feel frustrated by the number of people
> >>>> that only seem to ask for new features because NVDA does not work with
> >>>> the programs they had hoped it would.  I can say for me personally, 
> >>>> I am
> >>>> quite stunned by the number of programs NVDA does work with that 
> >>>> have not
> >>>> required the NVDA team to do any additional work.  There are also a 
> >>>> large
> >>>> number of programs that NVDA will work with but have problems in some
> >>>> areas.  Most notable of these is Skype.  It is a known issue that 
> >>>> NVDA is
> >>>> not able to read the menus in Skype versions lower than version 3.  
> >>>> But I
> >>>> have found that it is still very possible to use those versions of 
> >>>> Skype
> >>>> without NVDA needing to read the menus.  I also have a tip for some 
> >>>> that
> >>>> have wanted to be able to arrow around and select text in a MSN or
> >>>> Windows messenger window.  If you go into the message history window 
> >>>> and
> >>>> press Control A to select all of the text in the window then copy it to
> >>>> the clipboard.  Open up a text editor such as note pad and paste it in
> >>>> there you will then be able to do with it what you wish.  In any 
> >>>> case, my
> >>>> point to this post is don't be afraid to explore and you may find a tip
> >>>> or two that you can pass along to others.
> >>>> Thank you for your time.
> >>> Christopher Hallsworth
> >>> E-mail: chrishallsworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> Skype name chrishallsworth7266
> >>>
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> >>> open
> >>> source free screen reader for Microsoft Windows:
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> > 
> > To post messages to the list send email to
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> > Thank you for your continued support of Nonvisual Desktop Access, an 
> > open source free screen reader for Microsoft Windows:
> > http://www.nvda-project.org/
> > To get the latest NVDA snapshot:
> > http://www.nvda-project.org/snapshots/
> > Report bugs or make feature requests at:
> > http://trac.nvda-project.org/
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> > 
> > 
> To post messages to the list send email to
> nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> Thank you for your continued support of Nonvisual Desktop Access, an open
> source free screen reader for Microsoft Windows:
> http://www.nvda-project.org/
> To get the latest NVDA snapshot:
> http://www.nvda-project.org/snapshots/
> Report bugs or make feature requests at:
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Christopher Hallsworth
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Skype name chrishallsworth7266

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