Guys, Let me back up Jamie here. Everyone, please, please, please, be careful when you ask for things, blame anyone or, worse, expect things to happen just because you desire them. People work hard and spend their valuable off-work time to make things happen. Try to understand the technology at hand, its limitations and recent advances before you make that "grand" request of yours. Do not discourage but rather encourage efforts, like Mick's and Jamie's. Best, Vic --- James Teh <jamie@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I wasn't going to make an issue of it, but since an argument > got started > over it, I decided to make the point. Some of your responses > have hardly > shown calm detachment either, despite your accusations of > people having > delicate feelings. > > Anyway, to get back on topic, as I said previously, Mozilla > and a few > other applications will see better accessibility in this > regard once > IAccessible 2 is implemented. > > Jamie > > Stephen wrote: > > Oh wow. > > People have such delicate feelings these days. > > what I meant by saying you can get at the code to make it > better was > > something like, dont worry, all hope is not lost, > thunderbird is an open > > source program which means one doesn't have to worry about > bugging the > > mozilla team as much, because the source code is available > to anyone and > > everyone, unlike say microsoft windows live messenger or ms > outlook. > > If you find a closed source program that is inaccessible, > you have to > > rely on the developer's attitude and the goodness of his > heart, and if > > he won't cooperate, you're on your own and you'll be forever > stuck and > > will have to rely on sighted assistance all the time. > > since NVDA and thunderbird are opensource, it is more likely > that > > someone somehow someday in the not too distant future will > find a > > workaround, I'm not saying it's going to be as Easy as > flicking a switch > > or adding a couple lines of code here and there, just that > the task of > > making things accessible will be helped along by the meer > fact that the > > source code is available to people from all over the world. > > I hope this clarifies things a bit. > > To post messages to the list send email to > > nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > To unsubscribe from the list send a blank message to: > > nvda-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field. > > Thank you for your continued support of Nonvisual Desktop > Access, an > > open source free screen reader for Microsoft Windows: > > http://www.nvaccess.org/nvda/ > > Message Archive: > > http://www.freelists.org/archives/nvda > > -- > James Teh > Email: jamie@xxxxxxxxxxx > WWW: http://www.jantrid.net/ > MSN Messenger: jamie@xxxxxxxxxxx > Jabber: jteh@xxxxxxxxxx > Yahoo: jcs_teh > To post messages to the list send email to > nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe from the list send a blank message to: > nvda-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field. > Thank you for your continued support of Nonvisual Desktop > Access, an open source free screen reader for Microsoft > Windows: > http://www.nvaccess.org/nvda/ > Message Archive: > http://www.freelists.org/archives/nvda > To post messages to the list send email to nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from the list send a blank message to: nvda-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field. Thank you for your continued support of Nonvisual Desktop Access, an open source free screen reader for Microsoft Windows: http://www.nvaccess.org/nvda/ Message Archive: http://www.freelists.org/archives/nvda