[nvda] Re: Support NVDA or you will lose it.

Hello folks,
Perhaps it's the subject line which is a bit intimidating? apart from that it's 
innocuous enough.

Jim.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nvda-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
Ravi Paul
Sent: 31 March 2012 03:15
To: nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [nvda] Re: Support NVDA or you will lose it.

Hi
First of all, Mesar Hameed, the one who initiated this topic, is a contributor 
to NVDA. So, I'm not sure on what bases people are questioning that person's 
credibility. He's just trying to stay ahead of time perhaps. at worst.
I'm not sure from where people are getting the idea that the NVDA developers or 
anyone connected to NVAccess are trying to create a guilt feeling in case you 
don't donate. From the beginning people have emphasized over and over that it's 
up to the individual in question to consider donating if they can. Donate if 
you can (and indeed if you're willing), if you can't or if you're unwilling, 
just forget it. I look at the original message as at worst an appeal, a 
reminder that NVAccess needs us. I read this message as one that attempts to 
stay ahead of time rather than having to ask at the last minute.
And in case you do not know, there are and have been attempts on the part of 
NVAccess to get their funds from corporations (Mozilla, Adobe, Microsoft, etc). 
So it's not like they're exclusively asking us to fund the entire project - 
it's likely that Mozilla have been the major source of funds across time.
Again, donate if you can - it certainly helps. If you can't (I've not been able 
to unfortunately), it's perfectly alright. It's your freedom to start making up 
things about guilt and so on, but I might say I've never red such an attempt in 
these appeals.
Regards,
Ravi

On 3/31/12, playful-puppy <lawrence4477@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> I just wanted to make sure that I was not seeing things so to speak, 
> the last time I got a download, it was not there before.
> Some people can tell what time it is by looking at the sun. But I have 
> never been able to make out the numbers.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "shaun everiss" <sm.everiss@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 4:58 PM
> Subject: [nvda] Re: Support NVDA or you will lose it.
>
>
>> There are things up when you download, asking you to donate, and give 
>> you a choice to donate now or later.
>> or not right now.
>> Thats no secret either.
>> At 04:20 p.m. 30/03/2012 -0500, you wrote:
>>>
>>>personally speaking, neither do I, altho 1 does not have to donate, 
>>>it don't hurt to have a few reminders, by the way that brings up a 
>>>question, when I went to download the last version of NVDA, seems 
>>>like there were sever options rather or not 1 wanted to donate, or did I 
>>>read that wrong?
>>>Some people can tell what time it is by looking at the sun. But I 
>>>have never been able to make out the numbers.
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: <mailto:stormdragon2976@xxxxxxxxx>Storm Dragon
>>>To: <mailto:nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 3:56 PM
>>>Subject: [nvda] Re: Support NVDA or you will lose it.
>>>
>>>Hi,
>>>No, I doubt they are spam, just concerned community members. It is on 
>>>topic, regarding NVDA, and it is only asking for donations to support 
>>>the project, I don't really see anything wrong with it.
>>>Thanks
>>>Storm
>>>--
>>>Vinux Publicity Coordinator:
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>>>
>>>Registered Linux user number 508465:
>>><https://linuxcounter.net/user/508465.htmlMy>https://linuxcounter.net
>>>/user/508465.html
>>>
>>>My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.us/
>>>
>>>My last.fm profile: http://www.last.fm/user/stormdragon2976
>>>
>>>"And for every crossing where two roads diverged. I fell one false 
>>>decision. But still you find me on this earth."
>>>
>>>Van Canto - I Stand Alone
>>>
>>>
>>>On Fri, 2012-03-30 at 14:35 -0500, playful-puppy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>the question would be where are these so call emails asking all of 
>>>>us to support NVDA by giving so to speak are coming from?? I mean if 
>>>>the team of NVDA aren't doing the asking are the emails we have been 
>>>>recieving spam??
>>>>Some people can tell what time it is by looking at the sun. But I 
>>>>have never been able to make out the numbers.
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>>From: <mailto:stormdragon2976@xxxxxxxxx>Storm Dragon
>>>>
>>>>To: <mailto:nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>>Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 2:14 PM
>>>>
>>>>Subject: [nvda] Re: Support NVDA or you will lose it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hi,
>>>>What NVDA is doing is pretty much the same as having a donation 
>>>>button on
>>>>
>>>>their site, they are just spreading the word about it. There is no 
>>>>arm twisting, and no reason for people to feel guilty. they're not, 
>>>>for example, killing a small kitten every five minutes that you don't 
>>>>donate.
>>>>
>>>>So, any feelings of guilt you are having must be internally sparked...?
>>>>Also, as has been pointed out, the project will not die if there are 
>>>>no donations. And, after doing a bit of research, it actually seems 
>>>>like they are doing pretty well at the moment, once again, these 
>>>>articles and statements aren't even coming from NVAccess itself. So, 
>>>>donate if you want, don't if you don't.
>>>>Thanks
>>>>Storm
>>>>--
>>>>Vinux Publicity Coordinator: http://www.vinuxproject.org/
>>>>
>>>>Registered Linux user number 508465:
>>>>https://linuxcounter.net/user/508465.html
>>>>
>>>>My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.us/
>>>>
>>>>Vinux is Linux done right: http://www.vinuxproject.org/
>>>>
>>>>"I dole out justice with the tip of my boot. It's got a logic that 
>>>>you just can't refute."
>>>>
>>>>Moxy Fruvous - Kick in the Ass
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Fri, 2012-03-30 at 12:14 -0500, Gene wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, I am asking for a dramatic change in how NVDA is funded.  I 
>>>>>wasn't
>>>>>
>>>>>attempting to compare large organizations with NVDA.  I was 
>>>>>discussing
>>>>>
>>>>>What I consider a matter of principle, whether a screen-reader that 
>>>>>claims
>>>>>
>>>>>to be free should be funded largely by asking users to contribute. 
>>>>>I
>>>>>
>>>>>understand your point about disruption but disruptive or not, I 
>>>>>think that
>>>>>
>>>>>the fund-raising model should be followed. With your experience in
>>>>>
>>>>>fund-raising, perhaps you could think of ways to minimize the 
>>>>>disruption.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Let's consider the Public Television comparison.  Public Television 
>>>>>does
>>>>>
>>>>>not represent itself as free to those who use it.  It is paid for, 
>>>>>in
>>>>>
>>>>>considerable part buy users with pledge drives that take up ten or 
>>>>>more
>>>>>
>>>>>weeks a year and with unending incessant requests for donations the 
>>>>>rest
>>>>>
>>>>>of the time.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Regarding a comment made yesterday that we should not misuse our
>>>>>
>>>>>disability, I don't know what that comment is referring to.  I said
>>>>>
>>>>>nothing about misusing blindness to raise money.  I do not advocate
>>>>>
>>>>>appealing to donors with pity.  I advocate appealing to donors to 
>>>>>help
>>>>>
>>>>>blind people have good access to an essential means of 
>>>>>communication, work
>>>>>
>>>>>and entertainment.  I'm not advocating misusing blindness.  I'm 
>>>>>saying
>>>>>
>>>>>that a free screen-reader should be just that, free to those who use it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Over and over, blind people complain about having to pay more for 
>>>>>access
>>>>>
>>>>>to Windows and Windows programs than sighted users.  They want a 
>>>>>free
>>>>>
>>>>>screen-reader and they want Microsoft to provide one.  they don't 
>>>>>want a
>>>>>
>>>>>free screen-reader that they have to contribute to voluntarily.  
>>>>>They want
>>>>>
>>>>>someone else to pay for it.  And that's what I'm contending NVDA 
>>>>>should be
>>>>>
>>>>>if it claims to be free.  If it stops claiming to be free, that's a
>>>>>
>>>>>different matter.  But the intent is that it should be free to users.
>>>>>It
>>>>>
>>>>>is not free if blind people who use it are made to feel guilty and 
>>>>>like
>>>>>
>>>>>freeloaders if they don't contribute.  that is a means of 
>>>>>psychological
>>>>>
>>>>>coercion. If you contribute from guilt or obligation, NVDA is not 
>>>>>free for
>>>>>
>>>>>you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>And what about the developers of NVDA. I understand that they are 
>>>>>willing
>>>>>
>>>>>to work for a ridiculously low wage but I don't think they should 
>>>>>be
>>>>>
>>>>>satisfied with that.  Proper fund-raising would, one would hope, 
>>>>>allow
>>>>>
>>>>>them to earn a salary they deserve.  Appreciation and acalades 
>>>>>doesn't
>>>>>
>>>>>help you live at a reasonable level.  I am not content that the 
>>>>>developers
>>>>>
>>>>>should sacrifice their earnings potential to do this valuable work.
>>>>>It's
>>>>>
>>>>>their choice but a proper fund-raising system might allow them to 
>>>>>receive
>>>>>
>>>>>fair remuneration.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Gene
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>
>>>>>From: "Christopher Bartlett"
>>>>><<mailto:themusicalbrewer@xxxxxxxxx>themusicalbrewer@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>
>>>>>To: <<mailto:nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>
>>>>>Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 10:09 AM
>>>>>
>>>>> > I personally have no objection to the requests for donations, 
>>>>> > viewing
>>>>> >
>>>>> > it
>>>>>
>>>>> > rather like public television.  The moment I can use NVDA in a
>>>>>
>>>>> > professional
>>>>>
>>>>> > setting to control my calendar and spell-check documents for 
>>>>> > public
>>>>>
>>>>> > distribution using MS Office, I won't need JFW anymore and I'll 
>>>>> > spend
>>>>> >
>>>>> > my
>>>>>
>>>>> > money with NVDA.  I can't support two screen readers at this 
>>>>> > time, and
>>>>>
>>>>> > while
>>>>>
>>>>> > NVDA does almost everything I need, the subset that JFW covers 
>>>>> > is more
>>>>>
>>>>> > necessary to me as a small business owner.  I hope that ceases 
>>>>> > to be true
>>>>>
>>>>> > at
>>>>>
>>>>> > some point as I'd far rather my money went to support an 
>>>>> > open-source
>>>>>
>>>>> > project
>>>>>
>>>>> > than a commmercial enterprise.
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> > As to Gene's other points, yes, one could do all that, and in 
>>>>> > the process
>>>>>
>>>>> > incur more overhead, meaning you'd need more money.  Having 
>>>>> > worked for a
>>>>>
>>>>> > blindness non-profit, and administered a grant for same, you'd 
>>>>> > be amazed
>>>>>
>>>>> > at
>>>>>
>>>>> > the bite capital campaigns and fund-raising takes out of the 
>>>>> > operating
>>>>>
>>>>> > budget.  You're comparing apples and oranges in comparing NVDA 
>>>>> > to large,
>>>>>
>>>>> > established non-profit organizations.  Now maybe those in charge 
>>>>> > should
>>>>>
>>>>> > consider moving NVDA's organization toward that model, but it's 
>>>>> > not a
>>>>>
>>>>> > simple
>>>>>
>>>>> > choice and would distract them from doing the coding and fixing 
>>>>> > we're
>>>>> >
>>>>> > all
>>>>>
>>>>> > anxious to see continue.
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> > Now, if they want to hire me to do fund raising and grant
>>>>> development, and
>>>>>
>>>>> > can pay me a competitive wage, I'll drop everything else I'm
>>>>> doing and put
>>>>>
>>>>> > full time into doing that.  I'd enjoy it and be good at it, but 
>>>>> > I can't
>>>>>
>>>>> > donate that kind of time, nor is it likely anyone else would either.
>>>>> > So
>>>>>
>>>>> > consider what you're asking for, which is no less than a major 
>>>>> > change
>>>>> >
>>>>> > in
>>>>>
>>>>> > how
>>>>>
>>>>> > the funding model is organized.  It may be necessary, blind folk 
>>>>> > are
>>>>>
>>>>> > notoriously tight with money and sadly too many feel entitled
>>>>> to take what
>>>>>
>>>>> > they can and not give back.  It may be that in the long run, the 
>>>>> > current
>>>>>
>>>>> > model is unsupportable.  If that's the conclusion, then James et 
>>>>> > al will
>>>>>
>>>>> > have to consider the way forward carefully.
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> >       Christopher Bartlett
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>>>
>>>>> > From:
>>>>> <mailto:nvda-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>nvda-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:nvda-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>>>
>>>>> > Behalf
>>>>>
>>>>> > Of Gene
>>>>>
>>>>> > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 4:07 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> > To: <mailto:nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>
>>>>> > Subject: [nvda] Re: Support NVDA or you will lose it.
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> > I want to make this as clear as possible to avoid misunderstanding.
>>>>> > I am
>>>>>
>>>>> > not saying that blind people should not contribute to NVDA.  At
>>>>> this time,
>>>>>
>>>>> > it is a worty goal to help NVDA continue to be developed.  there 
>>>>> > is a
>>>>>
>>>>> > serious shortage of funding at present.  But I consider it 
>>>>> > unacceptable
>>>>>
>>>>> > for
>>>>>
>>>>> > the long term that NVDA be heavily dependent on contributions 
>>>>> > from users.
>>>>>
>>>>> > If NVDA is free for blind people, then it should be truly free, 
>>>>> > not free
>>>>>
>>>>> > but
>>>>>
>>>>> > with unending appeals to guilt and for money from users.  If
>>>>> that is going
>>>>>
>>>>> > to be the future, it is not truly free to blind users.  It's
>>>>> far past time
>>>>>
>>>>> > to do more than rely on grants and user contributions.
>>>>>
>>>>> > Perhaps professional fund-raisers should be hired.  Perhaps the
>>>>> experience
>>>>>
>>>>> > and advice of organizations of and for the blind who do 
>>>>> > successful
>>>>>
>>>>> > fund-raising should be sought.  I don't see guide  dog schools 
>>>>> > relying
>>>>>
>>>>> > primarily on guide dog users for support.  I don't see the 
>>>>> > Hadley school
>>>>>
>>>>> > relying primarily on blind users for support.
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> > Organizations of and for blind people, while they do solicit
>>>>> contributions
>>>>>
>>>>> > from blind people, generally have a much wider gbase of
>>>>> funding.  It's far
>>>>>
>>>>> > past time that serious attention be given to how NVDA may be 
>>>>> > funded
>>>>>
>>>>> > without
>>>>>
>>>>> > heavy dependence on the user base. either NVDA is a truly free
>>>>>
>>>>> > screen-reader
>>>>>
>>>>> > or it's a screen-reader with lots of guilt attached and pressure 
>>>>> > to
>>>>>
>>>>> > contribute and that is not free.
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> > Gene
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> > Come talk with other NVDA users on irc.blufudge.net #NVDA
>>>>>
>>>>> > Your continued donations help keep NVDA development going strong.
>>>>> > Donate
>>>>>
>>>>> > at:
>>>>>
>>>>> > <http://www.nvaccess.org/wiki/Donate>http://www.nvaccess.org/wik
>>>>> > i/Donate
>>>>>
>>>>> > Or by purchasing voices from Ivona TTS:
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> <http://www.ivona.com/accessibility.php>http://www.ivona.com/acces
>>>>> sibility.php
>>>>>
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>>>>> > on Voices
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> > <http://bit.ly/eJN97w>http://bit.ly/eJN97w
>>>>>
>>>>> > To post messages to the list send email to
>>>>>
>>>>> > <mailto:nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>
>>>>> > To modify your NVDA Email settings or view archives go to:
>>>>>
>>>>> > <http://www.freelists.org/list/nvda>http://www.freelists.org/lis
>>>>> > t/nvda
>>>>>
>>>>> > NVDA homepage:
>>>>>
>>>>> > <http://www.nvda-project.org/>http://www.nvda-project.org/
>>>>>
>>>>> > NVDA on Facebook:
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=8601265515>http://www.faceb
>>>>> ook.com/group.php?gid=8601265515
>>>>>
>>>>> > The NVDA controler DLL is at:
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> <http://www.nvda-project.org/nvdaControllerClient/>http://www.nvda
>>>>> -project.org/nvdaControllerClient/
>>>>>
>>>>> > NVDA Snapshot Downloader:
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> <http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1473937/NVDASD-v2.0.2.exe>http://dl.dropb
>>>>> ox.com/u/1473937/NVDASD-v2.0.2.exe
>>>>>
>>>>> > Get SkypeTalking for NVDA:
>>>>>
>>>>> > <http://skypetalking.googlecode.com/>http://skypetalking.googlec
>>>>> > ode.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Come talk with other NVDA users on irc.blufudge.net #NVDA
>>>>>
>>>>>Your continued donations help keep NVDA development going strong. 
>>>>>Donate
>>>>>
>>>>>at:
>>>>>
>>>>><http://www.nvaccess.org/wiki/Donate>http://www.nvaccess.org/wiki/D
>>>>>onate
>>>>>
>>>>>Or by purchasing voices from Ivona TTS:
>>>>>
>>>>><http://www.ivona.com/accessibility.php>http://www.ivona.com/access
>>>>>ibility.php
>>>>>
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>>>>>Voices from nextup.com:
>>>>>
>>>>><http://bit.ly/eJN97w>http://bit.ly/eJN97w
>>>>>
>>>>>To post messages to the list send email to
>>>>>
>>>>><mailto:nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>
>>>>>To modify your NVDA Email settings or view archives go to:
>>>>>
>>>>><http://www.freelists.org/list/nvda>http://www.freelists.org/list/n
>>>>>vda
>>>>>
>>>>>NVDA homepage:
>>>>>
>>>>><http://www.nvda-project.org/>http://www.nvda-project.org/
>>>>>
>>>>>NVDA on Facebook:
>>>>>
>>>>><http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=8601265515>http://www.facebo
>>>>>ok.com/group.php?gid=8601265515
>>>>>
>>>>>The NVDA controler DLL is at:
>>>>>
>>>>><http://www.nvda-project.org/nvdaControllerClient/>http://www.nvda-
>>>>>project.org/nvdaControllerClient/
>>>>>
>>>>>NVDA Snapshot Downloader:
>>>>>
>>>>><http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1473937/NVDASD-v2.0.2.exe>http://dl.dropbo
>>>>>x.com/u/1473937/NVDASD-v2.0.2.exe
>>>>>
>>>>>Get SkypeTalking for NVDA:
>>>>>
>>>>><http://skypetalking.googlecode.com/>http://skypetalking.googlecode
>>>>>.com/
>>
>>
>> Come talk with other NVDA users on irc.blufudge.net #NVDA Your 
>> continued donations help keep NVDA development going strong. Donate
>> at:
>> http://www.nvaccess.org/wiki/Donate
>> Or by purchasing voices from Ivona TTS:
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>> Use the following link with the code STOR-4NS3-DSCT to save 10% on 
>> Voices from nextup.com:
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>> The NVDA controler DLL is at:
>> http://www.nvda-project.org/nvdaControllerClient/
>> NVDA Snapshot Downloader:
>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1473937/NVDASD-v2.0.2.exe
>> Get SkypeTalking for NVDA:
>> http://skypetalking.googlecode.com/
>
> Come talk with other NVDA users on irc.blufudge.net #NVDA Your 
> continued donations help keep NVDA development going strong. Donate at:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/wiki/Donate
> Or by purchasing voices from Ivona TTS:
> http://www.ivona.com/accessibility.php
> Use the following link with the code STOR-4NS3-DSCT to save 10% on 
> Voices from nextup.com:
> http://bit.ly/eJN97w
> To post messages to the list send email to nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To 
> modify your NVDA Email settings or view archives go to:
> http://www.freelists.org/list/nvda
> NVDA homepage:
> http://www.nvda-project.org/
> NVDA on Facebook:
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=8601265515
> The NVDA controler DLL is at:
> http://www.nvda-project.org/nvdaControllerClient/
> NVDA Snapshot Downloader:
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1473937/NVDASD-v2.0.2.exe
> Get SkypeTalking for NVDA:
> http://skypetalking.googlecode.com/
>
Come talk with other NVDA users on irc.blufudge.net #NVDA Your continued 
donations help keep NVDA development going strong. Donate at:
http://www.nvaccess.org/wiki/Donate
Or by purchasing voices from Ivona TTS:
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nextup.com:
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To post messages to the list send email to nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To modify your 
NVDA Email settings or view archives go to:
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NVDA homepage:
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NVDA on Facebook:
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The NVDA controler DLL is at:
http://www.nvda-project.org/nvdaControllerClient/
NVDA Snapshot Downloader:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1473937/NVDASD-v2.0.2.exe
Get SkypeTalking for NVDA:
http://skypetalking.googlecode.com/

Come talk with other NVDA users on irc.blufudge.net #NVDA
Your continued donations help keep NVDA development going strong. Donate at:
http://www.nvaccess.org/wiki/Donate
Or by purchasing voices from Ivona TTS:
http://www.ivona.com/accessibility.php
Use the following link with the code STOR-4NS3-DSCT to save 10% on Voices from 
nextup.com:
http://bit.ly/eJN97w
To post messages to the list send email to
nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To modify your NVDA Email settings or view archives go to:
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NVDA homepage:
http://www.nvda-project.org/
NVDA on Facebook:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid�01265515
The NVDA controler DLL is at:
http://www.nvda-project.org/nvdaControllerClient/
NVDA Snapshot Downloader:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1473937/NVDASD-v2.0.2.exe
Get SkypeTalking for NVDA:
http://skypetalking.googlecode.com/

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