[nvda] Re: SV: Re: Braille displays

Hello,
Just a little note to add: BRLTTY is already ported to windows, they have even added service mode recently. So now it's "our turn". But it has been said several times virtual buffers have higher priority. 

Peter


John Greer  wrote:

MeddelandeNow, here is a page that is what has been discussed about adding 
braille support to NVDA.  The question is, can it be made to work in windows 
too?  When will it be added to NVDA?  The answer is when it is ported over to 
work with windows too, then it will be looked at to see what can be done to 
work in NVDA.  Here is the page.
http://mielke.cc/brltty/

JohnPG search for all of your Jaws scripts at http://www.blindcrawler.com/
Also be sure to check out Blind Crawler's Legend of the Green Dragon server at 
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There will be more to come from Blind Crawler very soon.
Administrator: John Greer
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----- Original Message ----- From: John Greer To: nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 2:41 PM 
  Subject: [nvda] Re: SV: Re: Braille displays


  For those of you that are either impatient, wondering what is being worked on 
currently with NVDA, wondering whether braille is going to be in the next 
version of NVDA.  Perhaps the list you should join to observe day to day 
progress is the developers list.  When a revision to the code is put into the 
trunk, they will most times give a little write up of what the code does, or 
what it fixes.  It will also give those users that are in the dark but curious 
an idea of what is being worked on, and what the focus of the developers is day 
by day.  I also know that numerous times on this list and also the developers 
list Mick, the main developer guy, has said, numerous times mind you, that the 
main focus of the developers right now is going to be on the virtual buffer 
code for NVDA.  Does that mean that braille support is going to be in the next 
release?  I suppose the best answer to that question could be found at the 
developers email list.  Josh, while enthusiastic, most like

ly already knows the answer to his own question, since he has posted the 
question numerous times before and gotten the same answer, numerous times 
before.  Again, for those that are looking for, does NVDA work with this or 
that, can it work with or that?  The answer is, try it.  Try it, and see if 
NVDA works with the software you are asking about.  If it doesn't, then  go 
through your list of email from the NVDA developers list and then maybe you 
will get an idea of when it might begin to work.  Again, what is being worked 
on at the moment, and also until it is done, is the virtual buffers for the 
Firefox browser.  This does not automatically mean that it will work for, 
Internet Explorer, Opera, Safari, those will most likely still need to be 
worked on.  So, any grumbling about IE doesnt work right, Opera needs to be 
supported to only means that you were not paying attention and not remaining 
patient.  It means that you were once again depending on the system to do it 
for you
and then grumbling because it wasn't exactly as you thought it should be. Will braille support be in the next release, the answer is no. How do I know this and I am not even a developer? I joined the NVDA developers list so I can know what the progress of NVDA is day by day. Now if your purpose on the NVDA list is to just sit and grumble and complain that NVDA doesn't work and it is not as good as Jaws, Window Eyes, Hal, or system access? You may just find that there are a very passionate group of NVDA users that would disagree with you til the end of time. 99 percent of NVDA users already know it is not to the same stature of Jaws, Window Eyes hal or system access, and so do the developers. In fact NVDA will always have one advantage over all of the other screen readers. It is free of charge. That means that if NVDA does not do exactly what you need it to do, you didn't have to go out and spend 1,095 dollars on Jaws to find out that screen reader doesn't work with it either. Of course I am referring to the fact that if the 1,095 dollar version of Jaws you just bought doesnt work with Windows XP professional or Media center edition, you have to buy their professional version for 200 dollars more. NVDA on the other hand will work the same whether you have XP home, Pro, or media center edition. This fact also applies for Window Eyes and Hal too. If you are one of those people that have been sent to the list to grumble about NVDA's development in the hopes of discouraging people? Stop it, because you are only going to succeed in pissing alot of people off and nothing more because NVDA is here to stay. 
  JohnPG search for all of your Jaws scripts at http://www.blindcrawler.com/
  Also be sure to check out Blind Crawler's Legend of the Green Dragon server 
at http://www.blindcrawler.com/lotg/
  There will be more to come from Blind Crawler very soon.
  Administrator: John Greer
  Blind Crawler.com
----- Original Message ----- From: Mario Percinic To: nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 1:41 PM 
    Subject: [nvda] Re: SV: Re: Braille displays


    Guys I really hate to sound angry and arrogant in the same time but if you 
don't like what NVDA team development does, go away from this list and leave 
this project to fans and people who like to spend their time in NVDA 
development and its growing potential.
Josh, you are kind of person who likes to spam the list with kind of one sentence answers or questions, , which are kind of annoying, specially when there is nothing much to say on your questions or answers because probably they are already answered but you are to lazy to read the list archives. I can see that you are smart enough to use your brain in more intuitive way, so before posting such none sense crap, read please all the answers related to the subject on the wiki page or on the list archive. 
    And btw, I know that you made one or more financial donations to NVDA 
developers which is really kind of you, but keep in mind that this doesn't give 
you the right to bug the developers 24/7 with suggestions which can not be 
fullfield right away just because there are plans which have to be done and 
which are currently more important for NVDA.
    At the end, I'd like to mention again to all of you, think about how many 
people right now actively work on NvDA development? Maybe 20 people are 
actively involved from all over the planet, yes from all over the planet. 
Practically that means that those people never met in person except main 
developers and members of NV Access foundation, that means all the ideas have 
to be discussed thru internet which takes time, but what's the most important, 
all of the ideas has to be considered and implemented by main NVDA developer 
Michael Curran. But if we look from the other prospective, NVDA in some thinks 
like portability, flexibility, even stability,  better response time and 
sluggishness is far ahead from other screen readers, and all of the progress 
happened during this year. NVDA has its own community which is alive, it 
exists, its right here, most of the people have enough heart to help other 
users who are not so familiar with very simple logic of NVDA usage.
    Please people, show more respect to all of us who work in NVDA development, 
translation team, people who are working on core development, users guides and 
everything else what's needed for NVDA to be what it is today.
     .---
-- Original Message ----- From: mattias To: nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 6:48 PM 
      Subject: [nvda] SV: Re: Braille displays


      i think the nvda teem are litle slow with braille support
        -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
        Från: nvda-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nvda-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] För 
Mario Percinic
        Skickat: den 17 november 2007 10:48
        Till: nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        Ämne: [nvda] Re: Braille displays


        No you are notgoing to be able to use braille in the next NVDA release 
, since braille is not implemented in NVDA yet.
----- Original Message ----- From: Kenny To: nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:11 AM 
          Subject: [nvda] Braille displays


          What types of braille displays will work with the next update of 
nvda? Will I be able to use my braille lite millennium 40 note taker with nvda 
as a braille display?

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